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All Forum Posts by: Nathan M kiefer

Nathan M kiefer has started 11 posts and replied 346 times.

Post: Best way to sell a Turnkey Short Term Rental?

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  • south carolina and michigan
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I follow listings on rabbu, you have to filter through some but I find they have a good mix of units for sale and do a good job marketing them.

Post: New to MF investment, coach wants 50/50 profit split. Should I do it?

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Quote from @Olu Efunwoye:

I have been investing in residential RE since 2010 and have bought and sold RE within that time frame, but it's all in residential space. The most multi-unit I have done so far is 2 units. I am in talks with a reputable company that signs up proteges in commercial RE, but I am struggling a bit with their terms: the sign-up fee ranges from $10k - $40k, and a definite 50/50 profit split up to $1M mark, meaning the individual gets up to $500k, which could come from cash flow, cashout refi, sale, etc. There is no time cap on the $1M mark.

I have immersed myself in many educational materials over the years and plan to continue doing so wrt multi-family RE investing. I still manage my own properties myself today and have a decent structure in place for that. I am trying to decide what I would lose by not working with this individual with a good track record and a large YouTube following. I feel I could continue leveraging content here on BP and other reputable sources for coaching without giving up this much in profit. Am I greedy or overthinking this? Please share your thoughts. Thank you


 50 split- no way. 

Post: Neighbor refusing to move camera pointed at STR pool

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Quote from @Wesley Myers:

Private STR home with private pool in fenced in back yard. Neighbor puts up a nest cam on his high back fence pointing right over into our back yard where the pool is.

I confronted him about it twice already cordially but he gave some BS excuse saying he can see down his fence line with that cam. I explained that we’re not comfortable with the camera pointing over in our yard even if it’s on the fence line. The last time he told me that it wasn’t even working but it still has power and the infrared lights light up. 

From the reading I’ve done it seems that he would lawfully be allowed to have the camera there unless it’s pointing directly at a door? Does anyone know if this is correct? I’m close to calling LE regardless to check as he’s not willing to be a decent neighbor and work with us.


We received our first complaint about it tonight from a renter which I knew would happen sooner or later. 


 As others have said put up something creative to block it. Definitely creepy.

Post: Airbnb latest release 1%

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Quote from @Jon Martin:

Not sure how much of an impact this can realistically have. ABNB needs to book a lot more than their top 1-10% of properties to stay as profitable. Those properties are likely to book up fast, and probably do already, leaving the other 90% for the rest of the guests who don't plan ahead that much. 

Seems like a passive aggressive way to get owners to up their game and differentiate, similar to the categories. Or maybe it's to help highly optimized properties justify a higher ADR and therefore higher fees? Would be interesting to know how much of their revenue is do to a small percentage of high performers. 

 Here is an example of one of them I've found.

https://air.tl/R3euXgzi

looks like 5 star is a must without exception - haven't found one without it. But clearly other items are required because some that have 5 star are not getting the distinction 

Post: 4BR SFH Pool Home STR near Disney, is $4K/month NET revenue realistic?

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Quote from @Alex F.:

yes - sep/Oct are the slow months but Florida is still has a lot of tourists....but less than usual.  This is where being near the top of the  rankings makes a huge difference.  Last year we struggled a bit in the slow months then did everything we could to tweak our listing - listing description, experimented with titles etc.  .  Here is a good discussion in supply and demand and these areas that have 1000+ listings.  No one searches last page 2.

https://www.adventuresinairbnbs.com/p/help-i-stopped-getting...

As for the reviews - we write them manually and guests when they review us often attribute the property  to who they chatted with if they had a question or issue.  It's usually me or my wife there reply on weekdays then on weekends usually our son.  But it varies ....we have a first read first reply type of arrangement....


 Great article to read.

Post: Airbnb latest release 1%

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UPDATE -I didn't get a top % even though my lowest rating on my properties are 4.96 and 5 star but I have seen others with the "top 5%" or "top 10%" of listings.

Wondering if any of yours have populated yet?

Post: 4BR SFH Pool Home STR near Disney, is $4K/month NET revenue realistic?

Nathan M kieferPosted
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Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Andrew B.:
Quote from @Alex F.:

We have a 4-bedroom home near Disney - the home is well-themed and very close to Disney.  It does very well and should end the year right between 60-70K gross rev with great occupancy.  But this IS a very competitive market....This is a good article on some of these markets with a huge supply:  https://www.adventuresinairbnbs.com/p/help-i-stopped-getting...

Here is our Disney home:

Last year, we primarily received guests from Airbnb and, this year, from Booking.com. This is our only property where we could never 'climb up' the rankings in VRBO, so we received 0 guests from VRBO. This still puzzling.....The direct bookings from repeat guests are slowly growing.

Booking.com is hard to deal with, but we seem to get good overseas guests that stay for longer.  

Great occupancy rate, congrats! We get a lot from booking.com, but there’s also a lot of strategic bookers, who will book multiple places and then cancel at last minute, it screws everything up with the other OTA’s algorithm. 

 Nice place! Something I don't understand after I looked at your listing - how are you fully booked with no vacancies in September and October? September is a super dead month, maybe even deader than May. 


 Also how are you doing the reviews, it feels like it's set up with people mentioning all three names that seems uncommon?

i mean it's working obviously but just felt like the reviews were dictated but maybe that's just me?

Post: STR Communities zoned as STRs

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Quote from @Dax Jauhola:

Geez, guys - this thread is not about Orlando. I am not interested in Orlando at all and that is a completely different type of STR community.

Suncadia is a resort property with two hotels, 400 vacation homes, four swimming pools, four restaurants, and two golf courses. It's all under the same banner and controlled by one company.

They have the ability to negotiate with the City of Cle Elum, WA, as they are probably its biggest employer. STRs are popular in this city as they create significant amounts of jobs and revenue.

I am shocked that this model is not more popular around the country. If someone had 1,000 acres in Southern California and created something similar, I would invest in that in a second.

 Lol for real- somehow it got to be about Orlando lol.

Anyway, check out Ocean Lakes, Myrtle Beach SC. We own two beach houses there and its a resort/campground. The original ownership was very smart in that it has a campground component and there are over 300 houses in 318 acres. The land is leased and STR is No problem.


We bought one is 2020 and one in 2022 for 295k and 375k respectively, both are valued in the 650-725k range-each. These unicorns do exist but in my experience you have to get out and travel to find some of them. 

We found this place when covid was tapering, our disney spring break got cancelled(like everyone elses on the planet) so we hid out for a month and searched states with "fewest covid restrictions" and found SC-Ocean lakes.

let us know if you find anymore!

Post: When to “hold” em and when to “sold” em!

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Two points 

late Payments is a you problem not a them problem. We would never allow this.

What is your tax situation - I don't see anyway you end in a good situation by selling due to depreciation and payback and realtor fees, selling, closing fees etc unless you 1031 into something. If that isn't the goal I'd hold and hire a pm or get strong on collection and cleaning up the tenants that are taking advantage of you.

Post: Are there any ways to create a low maintenance STR or MTR?

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Quote from @Joseph Harr:

If you were starting a new STR or MTR, what are some things you can do to cut down on future maintenance? I'm looking for durable furniture, linens, construction materials, things like that.

I have and STR and an MTR and the maintenance things just keep piling up: LVP cracking, paint chipping/peeling/bubbling, walls constantly getting marked up, dining chair bolts coming loose, stains on every piece of cloth and furniture.

Welcome to landlording a str and mtr. 

low maintenance and str/mtr are oxymoron.

general rule is the more you pay the longer it lasts in our experience. We got so sick of dealing with weeds and grass we tore out every inch outside and put in artificial turf in both exterior of our houses. Been a great low maintenance investment although not sure how much I saved to have low maintenance as it was 15k 

it really comes down with your visitation and how much you want to deal with. We do almost all of those things when we visit- tighten bolts on chair's and touch up etc. Some of that there is just no way around.

there is no scuff paint but I'm not sold on it