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All Forum Posts by: Nathan M kiefer

Nathan M kiefer has started 11 posts and replied 341 times.

Post: Is it worthwhile to list on multiple platforms

Nathan M kieferPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • south carolina and michigan
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Quote from @Alex Keim:

I have a single STR (4 bed ocean view home) located in a small coastal town on the west coast. It went live just a few months ago at the beginning of summer. Currently it is listed only on AirBNB. The summer occupancy was very high but now that we are hitting the offseason I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to also list on VRBO. While the cost of doing so is not high it's also not zero in time nor money. Ideally I'd be able to run my own A/B experiments but I imagine there are tons of PM's in here that already have all the data. So, the question is, is it worth the extra cost (time and money) to add my listing to VRBO?

Costs I'm assuming:

1) Hostaway subscription and dynamic pricing subscription

2) Perceived older guests. "Can you send someone out to show us how to work the tv remote?"

Thank you

List on both, it's a probability equation- simple as that.

Outside of that % depends on area and many other factors regarding air v. Vrbo.

Agree with others that have said your global perception of vrbo clientele is not reality although could be for certain areas.

You need both regardless.

Post: Emergency issues while remotely self-managing?

Nathan M kieferPosted
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Quote from @Devin Bost:

I'm trying to migrate from Evolve, and I'm wondering how those of you who self-manage remotely handle emergency issues. 

I'm concerned that if I place an ad to find people who will work on an hourly basis (in the area of the property) that I might have a hard time finding people who can reliably respond to emergencies during off hours, but I can't afford to have someone working full time or with standard on-call rotations. 

I'm wondering how some of you have solved this problem. 


 No matter what you do, you cannot replace the value of boots on the ground so the next best thing(in our experience) is spend some time down there, interview some potential handymen etc. and forge a relationship, we have multiple that we have connected with in person and when you make a personal connection with them they will take care of your property better, especially in an emergency situation.

Post: What's the best strategy to find a buyer for a STR?

Nathan M kieferPosted
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Quote from @Deepanshu Madan:

I am looking to sell a STR, Are there buyers who buy a fully furnished property? or do I need to empty it? What should be right way to find these investor buyers in the market? I am out of state and don't know a lot about the Jacksonville market today.

The property also has firepit in the backyard, smart door lock, cameras, thermostat, and router installed. The appliances are also all brand new installed this year- fridge, dishwasher, and washer/dryer.


 Rabbu isnt horrible

Post: STR and MARKETING - INFLUENCERS

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Quote from @Diaz Principe Nicolas:

HEY HOSTSS!! Would you say influencer marketing is worth the investment? 


yes if you like blowing your money. Just set up a nice place, air,vrbo and direct and the rest takes care of itself(considering you are investing in place where STR are allowed and have done associated diligence)

Post: Fed cuts rates by .5%

Nathan M kieferPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • south carolina and michigan
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Andrew Syrios:

I definitely thought they would cut rates but that's more than expected. Will be good for real estate but might indicate the economy is weaker than we had thought. And I thought it was rather weak to begin with. 


Weaker than who thought?

Politicians and federal agencies were lying about the strength of the economy. Everyone visiting the grocery store knows it. They are just now getting around to telling the truth.

costco is a great indicator of inflation on grocery items..  Fresh cracked dungess crab was 25 for a one pound container for years.. it flew up to 50 bucks.. there is no shortage of dungess crab in the Pacific oceans .. its down to 35 now.. but still high.. the meats the same way most all went up at least 50% and have not dropped.. chilean seabass was 15 bucks a pound went to 25k and has stayed there.. I am in KC last few days gas is 2.75 a gallon.. gas is still 4.50 a gallon in OR WA CA if not higher in some spots..
: 0  I must be on wrong thread, I'm on burger and Ramen Lol, nonetheless, it has went up too lol

Post: Fed cuts rates by .5%

Nathan M kieferPosted
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  • south carolina and michigan
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Quote from @Michael Baum:

Hey @Collin Hays, I agree with you. That is why I said Full Bore.

There are recessions and there are RECESSIONS.

I don't want a repeat of 2007-2009. I would rather have it be more like early 2001. 


 07-09 did suck but we also purchased 6 houses for under 100k and we learned from that period so with cash on hand I wouldn't mind it.

Post: Fed cuts rates by .5%

Nathan M kieferPosted
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  • south carolina and michigan
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Quote from @Thomas McPherson:
Quote from @Michael Baum:

Just announced. More than many thought including me. I figured 1/4 point then another in a couple of months.

Should be interesting to see how things shake out.


 Agreed, I think the market will really start to spur up when rates get a little more competitive.  People can't justify leaving their 4% mortgage right now this causes a little bit of a stalemate. 


 4%- thats so 2019 lol, were at 2% as a lot of others are, one of my buddies actually has a 1.875%. As low as the market went for mortgages and housing shortage, the only sure bet in my opinion is housing prices will continue to rise. 

Inflation and rates are all boomeranged off each other, next year will be one of the most interesting i have seen in the 25 years i have been doing this

Post: Post disappeared - VRBO Terms of Service

Nathan M kieferPosted
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Quote from @Lauren Kormylo:

Well, I'll repost here what I originally did in response to the email from Vrbo that some people got saying Vrbo was giving a promotional discount to prospective guests, and hosts could opt out if they wished.  Vrbo was not asking the hosts to opt in, just telling them they are doing it, and making them take the time to opt out.  That is, if the host happened to read that email.

They sent out new terms of service at that time, and it's addressed in one section:
"3.7.7 ...You also acknowledge and agree that we may on occasion offer discount pricing for your Property; provided that (i) any such offers will be available with respect to a broad number of Listings and not limited to your Property; (ii) we will provide you with electronic notice of such discount(s); and (iii) you may opt out of a particular offer."

So now we have to be sure to scrutinize any email from them, or risk losing money on a booking.


 Sign of the times of what's to come....

Post: Renovation/furnishing costs of an STR

Nathan M kieferPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
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in my experience, if its a "average sized home" i take that as a 3/2 or 4/3, 4/4 etc that number of 30k is very close. 20k low end, 30k high and of course you can get stupid beyond that.

cant comment on the financial return as to much missing info as others have said but if it rings true of 1k per month, potential 3 year return is accurate 

Post: Seeking Advice: Issues with Jenny Yi, an STR Designer

Nathan M kieferPosted
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most of these "youtubers" etc social influencers are nothing more than paper tigers.