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All Forum Posts by: Natasha Rooney

Natasha Rooney has started 11 posts and replied 39 times.

Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Natasha Rooney@Natasha Rooney

just to be blunt:

1. OOS investing is much more difficult than advertised.  there are numerous recent threads on BP by folks who bought something because it looked nice, or an agent recommended it, and they didn't see it themselves and approach it with any skepticism.  they immediately got crushed.  examples:

Baltimore - a path to never-ending pain (biggerpockets.com)
Experience of OOS investing in Cleveland after 1.5 years. (biggerpockets.com)

so, if you're serious about a market - you need to go there in person. if you're not willing to do that, then don't invest there.

2. you're not going to cash flow in the first few years, in any market, period.  not in Alabama, not in California. think about a down payment, closing costs, light repairs, rent ready costs, commission to the property management company, then you fix a dishwasher, then in year 2 the furnace goes.  where is the cash flow?  i say this not to discourage you from investing, but to help set your expectations properly.

my recommendation is always to invest wherever you can be hands-on and in-person.  if your immediate market is too expensive, go a couple hours away.

hope this helps


 Thanks for the message! We plan to 100% travel to the area that we are going to be purchasing before making a purchase to meet people, network, and hopefully build a solid team. 

My immediate market is far too expensive to invest in unfortunately - as well as anywhere within 2 hours. I am located in Western Canada (previously was in Toronto) and its just wild at the moment. So for us, Cross border investing may be what turns out to be the better option. Ideally, investing locally would totally be something we'd prefer to do. However, its not quite possible in today's market. We do own our primary residence but as far as investments go, this is not the place at the moment.

Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

What's up @Natasha Rooney!  What market are you currently in, and why no interest?

The main thing I am looking for in a market is the right team! Someone is making good money in every market. I am a biased fan of Chicago, Illinois, because of the awesome real estate community here.

Outside of just a good community, I love Chicago because:

1.  In the city, there is a plethora of old multi-family properties that need to be renovated at all different price points

2.  In the south suburbs, there are tons of great single-family cosmetic flips

We do have winter, high taxes, and crime, but like anything else there is pros & cons to everything.  

With the right team, you can be successful in any market...focus on networking and figure out where you might have a competitive advantage with some boots on the ground.


 Hello, thanks for the comment on my post! 
I have pretty much zero interest in the market I am currently in - its WILD haha Canadian housing has no potential to provide positive cash flow. I am currently in Calgary, AB and used to be located in Toronto - real estate in Canada is nuts. 

Sounds good! Yes, I think a good team is crucial to being successful in any market and you're right - people are making money in every market. I think we may focus on somewhere in the midwest and plan to make trips out when purchasing and to meet people and network first. 

Do you mainly do business in Chicago then?

Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@Natasha Rooney How would having a map overview of a market, showing the average Property Class of each suburban city and urban Neighborhood help you with your decision?


 That would be quite helpful!! 

Quote from @Greg Parker:

The five most landlord-friendly states are:

  1. West Virginia
  2. Arkansas
  3. Louisiana
  4. North Carolina
  5. Alabama

 Alabama

Alabama residents enjoy a low cost of living and a thriving economy. The state’s housing is also ranked as the fourth most affordable in the country.

Alabama currently has the second-lowest average property tax rate in the country at 0.4%, which helps investors keep more of the money they earn.


 Thank you! I will take a better look at Alabama for sure :) Any particular city that you suggest? 

Post: In desperate need of guidance

Natasha RooneyPosted
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Quote from @Theresa Holl:

Hi Abdi, I have some friends I can connect you with, particularly a nationwide mortgage broker with great expertise on creative financing and investor dos and don'ts who could be good resources for you without pressuring you into anything.  Give me a shout and I'll connect you with Kyle.  Another business partner of mine is a marketing pro who helps investors anticipate which properties will book out well and which ones might struggle, provides some creative design tips too, if you're into STRs at all.  Both of them will answer any questions you might have without any judgment.  This is how we all learned!


 Hello! I'd also love if you could connect me as well! I am kind of in the same boat! 

Hello! 

We are just starting out in all this and I have been looking at a few potential broad markets/states to start doing OOS investments, potentially in Ohio, Alabama, Connecticut, North Carolina, Illinois, Minnesota (I know - lots on the list). 

What are the main things that you look for when trying to really narrow down on a market? There are just so many markets that could offer decent potential cash flow. I know there are lots of stats and things to look at when analyzing deals as well as markets like job growth, unemployment, etc. I guess I am just having a hard time really trying to decide on a market. 

Goals: Looking for a buy and hold multifamily property. Decent cash flow but not looking for a home run the first time around (although that'd be nice!). Hoping to buy one property by the end of this year, 2 next year and to scale up.


Neighbourhood: Class B or C+ neighbourhood.

Rehab: Comfortable with cosmetic and upgrades to the property but not a whole tear down gut job. 

Any input, advice would be greatly appreciated! 

TIA :) 

Post: In desperate need of guidance

Natasha RooneyPosted
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Quote from @Gloria N Gear:

Hi Abdi,

I am going to to try to hop on a call with you.  I was actually working in the investor real estate space for 3 years before I took the jump and did it myself.  Now I am on property #9 (that took 5 years).  

Follow Nathan Gesner's advice.  Break it down step by step and you will feel confident to move to the next decision.  

Do you want to Flip or Hold?

If you are holding, do you want to do Long term, Mid term, or Short term rentals?

What is your comfort level on construction - cosmetic, mid-level or gut to the walls?

I also agree with him that your Property Manager is the most important person on your team.  (And I am a realtor saying that).  They are the one that is going to protect your investment long term.


 Hello, I was just reading your response to this post as I am in the exact same boat! Trying to narrow down a market/markets that we'd like to invest in. Would love to speak with you as well if you're open to that! 

Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Natasha Rooney:
Quote from @Account Closed:

Hey Natasha! 

In general if you are what is called a resident alien, you are going to be taxed on your world wide income. 

You want to be sure your classified for what is called a non resident alien. Basically means you live in Canada, but you invest in the USA. A non-resident alien for tax purposes is a person who is not a U.S. citizen and who does not meet either the “green card” or the “substantial presence” test as described in IRS Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens. 

Non-resident aliens are taxed only on their income from sources within the U.S. and on certain income connected with the conduct of a trade or business in the U.S, leaving your CA income alone! I work with a lot of foreign folks who invest in multiple countries or live abroad. If you have any more questions feel free to reach out! 


Thanks so much for the reply! So registering as an 'alien resident' is definitely something that we will be doing. From your experience, do you know which legal structure is the best for Canadians investing in the US? LLC? C-corp? direct investor? etc?

Thank you! 


Depends on your deal! We want to have legal protection WHEN its applicable. For stock investments for instance, just invest directly. For partnerships, consider being a limited partner when you can. If your own real estate directly, a simple LLC will be more then enough to get started

Thanks for the reply!! 

This may be a dumb question but what do you suggest: LLC vs LP when investing alone (or with one other person, my spouse)?

Quote from @Account Closed:

Hey Natasha! 

In general if you are what is called a resident alien, you are going to be taxed on your world wide income. 

You want to be sure your classified for what is called a non resident alien. Basically means you live in Canada, but you invest in the USA. A non-resident alien for tax purposes is a person who is not a U.S. citizen and who does not meet either the “green card” or the “substantial presence” test as described in IRS Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens. 

Non-resident aliens are taxed only on their income from sources within the U.S. and on certain income connected with the conduct of a trade or business in the U.S, leaving your CA income alone! I work with a lot of foreign folks who invest in multiple countries or live abroad. If you have any more questions feel free to reach out! 


Thanks so much for the reply! So registering as an 'alien resident' is definitely something that we will be doing. From your experience, do you know which legal structure is the best for Canadians investing in the US? LLC? C-corp? direct investor? etc?

Thank you! 

Quote from @Danny Gonzalez:

Hey Natasha,

That's awesome that you want to invest in the states!   I'm not a CPA but I have worked with a lot of out of the country investors over the years.  Here's an overview as well as my understanding of the tax implications.

I'll start with the US Tax implications:

  • As a foreign investor, you’ll be subject to U.S. federal income tax on the income generated by your U.S. real estate investments. This includes rental income, which is typically taxed at a flat rate of 30% unless you elect to treat the income as "effectively connected" to a U.S. trade or business, which allows for graduated tax rates and deductions.  You'll be able to write off the expenses and interest, but there is a tax on the profit from the real estate.  
  • State Taxes: Some states also impose state income taxes on rental income and capital gains from the sale of property. The rate varies depending on the state in which the property is located so I can't give you specifics without having more information.
  • Capital Gains Tax: When you sell a U.S. property, you may be subject to U.S. capital gains tax on any profit. The rate typically ranges from 15% to 20% for long-term capital gains, with an additional 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) potentially applying.

    OK, lets chat about the Canadian side.  To my understanding:
  • Worldwide Income: As a Canadian resident, you are required to report and pay taxes on your worldwide income, including income earned from U.S. real estate. This means rental income, dividends, and capital gains from U.S. investments must be reported on your Canadian tax return.
  • Foreign Tax Credit: The good news is that Canada has a tax treaty with the U.S. to prevent double taxation. You can generally claim a foreign tax credit on your Canadian tax return for the U.S. taxes paid, reducing your Canadian tax liability by the amount of tax paid in the U.S.
  • Capital Gains: Canada taxes capital gains at a rate of 50% of the gain. You will need to report this on your Canadian tax return, but you can offset it with the foreign tax credit for any U.S. taxes paid.

  • A few other points to mention, a lot of the specifics here also depend on your legal structure e.g. LLC, sole member, direct investor, etc. There are a lot of attorneys/tax professionals that are familiar with Canadians investing in the states, so reach out to them and they'll be able to walk you through the process. If I can help with anything else, don't hesitate to reach out.

    TL;DR:  You will likely need to pay taxes in both the U.S. and Canada, but the Canada-U.S. tax treaty provides mechanisms to avoid double taxation.  

    Much success!

    DG 


     Thank you very much! This is all very helpful information and some things that I will definitely be looking into! I'll let you know if I have any specific questions :)