All Forum Posts by: Nancy P.

I agree, do what helps you sleep well.  We had beloved neighbors need a handicap-accessible unit when  the husband lost the ability to climb steps.  The only condos in this city that are truly handicap-accessible design (to our knowledge) had one for sale, we bought it,  they moved in,  what they could afford was about $100 below market.  We said OK,  they were past 85 and he wasn't well so we figured it was a short term thing....four years later and I think they will outlive me,  and now they are $200 below market.    They spent all their own money helping a son in law fight cancer (Cancer Institutes of American demand money BEFORE treatment).  We figure their reward and ours is in heaven,  no matter what anyone else thinks.  Good luck in finding a solution that works for everyone.

Exactly this!

My contractor of several years pulled a similar stunt.  We had him over to replace a ceiling fan in a stairwell  and replace a laundry sink which is just gross.  Husband put the fan together except for the blades.   C said $100 for the fan and $200 for the sink.  Did the fan,  he said "too many people put the blades on beforehand and then I have to take them off to install."   Took 35 minutes from the time he rang the doorbell.  Then spent another five inspecting the sink and said it was complicated,  $800.  I immediately said "nope, I'll live with it and return the new one".  He dropped his price to $600 and I still said no.  Husband said it is a bit complicated plumbing wise.  I'll just live with the gross one.  (Been used to dump paint/grout by previous owners and it's probably original to the 40 year old townhome.).  THEN he said $150 for the fan "because I came here to earn more than $100".  Even after all the discussion he has still only been there 48 minutes.  My husband said "I am NOT paying you over $100 for under an hour's work."  C said "It wasn't put together like you claimed!"  This is AFTER saying good we didn't put the blades on.... he then said "Don't expect me to answer the phone next time you call".  I said "We'll risk it".  I have literally paid this guy over $125K in the last 5 years.....IF he calls and apologizes I will give him another chance,  in the meantime I am collecting numbers of other contractors.....

First:  Dementia is a BRAIN disease, a physical one, not a mental one.  No dementia folks should be living alone period.  COVID doesn't change that.  Secondly,  tell me how being on shutdown affects the mentally ill?  Treatment still available, drugs, therapy over the phone/Internet.  Mental hospitals still open in my area anyway,  as they are separate from other hospitals.  Fresh air and exercise still a possibility.   Tell me---show me proof, not your opinion,  any mental illness that being on shut down makes enough worse that it should be OK for them to risk other people's lives.  I know someone who thinks it's great the meat producers will stay open because he finds fruits and vegetables "gross".  IMO that isn't worth someone else's life,  and neither is this.

One tenant,  1/2 rent one month,  other tenant, one of the roommates had already used his unemployment up before COVID,  so no unemployment,  1/2 rent for two months.  He will move out in May if he can't pay June.

Here's where your logic fails:  you compare the people suffering through quarantine to the amount of people who have died BECAUSE we stay at home.  You are completely ignoring the MILLIONS who would have died without these measures.  And you value mental health of the many over the lives of the few.  Are YOU willing to die for someone else's (treatable) mental health?  I'm guessing not.  May you live long enough to have young people consider you expendable so you know how that feels.

Both in Italy and in Spain,  doctors have had to decide who to put on ventilators.  Literally exercising the power of life and death.  For those doctors the choice has been traumatic.  They want to save everyone---but there just wasn't enough ventilators or  ICU beds or staff.  (Ventilation is very staff intensive.)   So while I don't want ANY human being to die in the streets...everyone with COVID 19 who dies-dies alone, away from family and friends.  It's  another stress on medical personnel who try to be there for dying patients.   My friend had a baby without her husband two weeks ago, and they reunited only 4 days later when she was released (C-section.) COVID-19 means you don't get to say goodbye in person. (Or in my friend's case, witness your son's birth.) She and her newborn wore a mask except to eat.   There are people who are dying unrelated to COVID.  My child nannies for a neurosurgery nurse.  65% of surgeries are put off due to COVID risk.  Some of them will die as a result of that delay.  I don't know that we will ever know the complete story of who died as a tangent to the disease.  That said,  if there comes a point where there aren't enough ventilators or ICU beds for COVID-19 patients,  I think it's COMPLETELY fair that the doctors choose to save people who haven't flagrantly resisted the SAHO,  or wearing masks when out,   or who participated in protest crowds without proper PPE or distancing.  You say you'll assume the risk,  then assume the risk!  And of course,  if it DOESN'T get that bad here,  it will be because of people who were mature and caring enough to stay at home/wear masks/keep away from others.  And people like OP will forever deny that it would have been awful without those measures being taken.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Originally posted by @Nancy P.:

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Originally posted by @Bryan Beal:

Let me address these one at a time -

@John Collins - I think you're missing the point.  No one is arguing that the health care system is overburdened.  If you choose to quarantine yourself so you don't contract this virus, that's perfectly fine.  You stay inside, away from the world around you and you stay safe and cozy in your home.  No problem with that at all.  But if myself or anyone else is willing to carry the risk and go about our daily lives (and be surrounded by others that are willing to carry that same risk), why do you have a problem with that? 

You talk about workers being "disproportionately affected" by this.  And yes, that's exactly my point.  Do you think that they don't also want to get back to work?  If someone is willing to carry the risk, they should be allowed to go back to work.  If they're not, they won't be forced to and they can stay home and stay safe.  And I never came close to implying we shouldn't take care of the critically ill - don't put words in my mouth and get off your soap box. Rah rah.  

@Scott Passman - At a certain point the damage done by shutting down the country is greater than the treatment itself.  A large number of people who are taking these tests and burdening the health care system are not sick and not showing any symptoms.  If only those who needed those tests and care got those tests and care, we'd be in a much better situation. 

And same point as above - if someone is at risk and they want to stay at home, they can stay at home and quarantine to protect themselves.  If others want to get back to real life, and we all agree to the risks involved, we can do that without impacting those who don't.

@Scott Wolf - You clearly didn't read my entire post.  Drunk driving is both irresponsible and ILLEGAL.  I specifically say "within the confines of the law" which obviously went unnoticed.  And yes, everything has intended and unintended consequences - but if we allow those to quarantine who want to quarantine and those who want to get back to work get back to you, it's a win/win.  Do you disagree?

@Bryan Beal Y'all got a good point.

They are talking about Covid-19 because they don't want to face the real issues.

More people die of more than a dozen other diseases every day, not counting obesity, not counting car accidents, not counting accidental deaths and drowning, Yes, there are more drowning deaths! You can't win a emotional fight (Covid-19 and sheer unfounded terror) with facts.

Facts don't matter to them. They've become the "Land of the Enslaved and the Home of the Terrified".

When you look at the Facts, the whole world looks a lot rosier.

I'm in a buyin' mode because they're in a "Scared Sellin' Mode. Don't Wake them up (tho' I don't think you can anyway), cause the deals are getting better and I'm swooping them up. None are so deaf as those who will not hear.

Keep up the Spirit bro' there is a future to plan for.

Peter Johnson,  that's a ridiculously outdated graphic there.  The US ALONE lost over 4500 people yesterday.  Beating tuberculosis handily.  Not to mention how silly it is to compare COVID-19 to the others that aren't nearly as communicable.  So much misunderstanding here.  I wish statistics and logic were required to graduate high school.

Then...

OP  worries about "our ability to grow wealth through REI."   Man,  I can only pray for your heart to be softened.  Worried about your money when lives are at stake.  You don't seem to understand that just having the old folks stay home will not solve the problem.   Despite two pages plus of people trying to explain it to you.  

Also,  did you study history?  Have you ever researched the INCREDIBLE financial devastation caused by two World Wars?  Yet, here I sit,  the child of a man who stormed Omaha Beach on D-Day,  living in wealth.  I just returned from 3 years of living in Germany,  where an even greater percentage of the population has a decent standard of living than the US---and that country was DESTROYED by the war.  (Hell,  in the three years we were there,  17 bombs were found in my city.  WWII bombs still are unearthed seventy years later!).  It will probably be an incredible financial devastation.  But we will rise up again from that.

Lastly,  since you also seem to not understand civics,  a brief article explaining how your "rights" are not exactly the same as your internalized idea of what American stands for.  https://www.politico.com/news/...

You quote Politico? Can't you find a credible source instead?

How many people have been exposed and infected that nothing happened to them?

You don't know that number do you?

How many children have died from Covid-19 

You don't know that number do you?

How many of the cases were related to people 65 & older who had obesity problems and an underlying medical condition ?

You don't know that number do you?
"Most cases are people over 65 who are obese and have underlying medical conditions" is the correct answer.

Why are we laying off 22,000,000 people (which drives up suicide rates) when the problem is basically obesity,
which is a CHOICE!, and which is a factor in dying from Covid-19.  People are Obese because they choose to be obese! Eat less, and you lose weight. Control your weight and Type II Diabetes goes away. When Type II diabetes goes away, you don't die from Covid-19. Follow the facts.

Obesity is FAT people. There! I said it. Don't get fat and Stay Alive. Lose that weight, baby. Live long and prosper.

SO----

If Politico "isn't credible",  I am sure you will have no issue refuting the FACTS in that article,  right?  Show me how wrong I am.  Here's some more facts for you:

Fact:

The studies showing obesity is a major factor are not rigorous studies.

Fact:

In these studies,  obesity does not appear to be a factor for people over 65.  That means, age is a factor more than size.  People cannot control how old they are.

Fact:

People of all ages have underlying medical conditions.  I know three children with cystic fibrosis,  and dozens with asthma.  I guess they don't matter as long as you get your freedom, right?

Fact:

Obesity is considered a disease,  not a willpower problem.  FAR more complex than just "eat less".

Fact:

Even if it WERE a willpower problem,  obese people cannot get to a healthy weight in the next two months even if they fast. (Fasting has risks as well.)   Are you going to consign them to death so you can go to a movie?

Fact:

Suicide is ALSO a choice.   Right?

NOBODY knows how many are infected that we don't know.  Guess what,  that's true of the regular flu as well!  Of any contagious disease!   All you can do is compare death rates of people who HAVE BEEN TESTED.  Any other argument is just silly.  So if that makes COVID death rate .2,  regular flu death rate is far below .1.  COVID 19 is UNQUESTIONABLY more dangerous than regular flu.

If you cannot understand how YOUR freedom infects OTHER people,  then get a tutor.  I think you just like to deny facts.

At least admit to being selfish and quit trying to pretend you're a patriot.   How appropriate that both your names are nicknames for dicks.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Originally posted by @Bryan Beal:

Let me address these one at a time -

@John Collins - I think you're missing the point.  No one is arguing that the health care system is overburdened.  If you choose to quarantine yourself so you don't contract this virus, that's perfectly fine.  You stay inside, away from the world around you and you stay safe and cozy in your home.  No problem with that at all.  But if myself or anyone else is willing to carry the risk and go about our daily lives (and be surrounded by others that are willing to carry that same risk), why do you have a problem with that? 

You talk about workers being "disproportionately affected" by this.  And yes, that's exactly my point.  Do you think that they don't also want to get back to work?  If someone is willing to carry the risk, they should be allowed to go back to work.  If they're not, they won't be forced to and they can stay home and stay safe.  And I never came close to implying we shouldn't take care of the critically ill - don't put words in my mouth and get off your soap box. Rah rah.  

@Scott Passman - At a certain point the damage done by shutting down the country is greater than the treatment itself.  A large number of people who are taking these tests and burdening the health care system are not sick and not showing any symptoms.  If only those who needed those tests and care got those tests and care, we'd be in a much better situation. 

And same point as above - if someone is at risk and they want to stay at home, they can stay at home and quarantine to protect themselves.  If others want to get back to real life, and we all agree to the risks involved, we can do that without impacting those who don't.

@Scott Wolf - You clearly didn't read my entire post.  Drunk driving is both irresponsible and ILLEGAL.  I specifically say "within the confines of the law" which obviously went unnoticed.  And yes, everything has intended and unintended consequences - but if we allow those to quarantine who want to quarantine and those who want to get back to work get back to you, it's a win/win.  Do you disagree?

@Bryan Beal Y'all got a good point.

They are talking about Covid-19 because they don't want to face the real issues.

More people die of more than a dozen other diseases every day, not counting obesity, not counting car accidents, not counting accidental deaths and drowning, Yes, there are more drowning deaths! You can't win a emotional fight (Covid-19 and sheer unfounded terror) with facts.

Facts don't matter to them. They've become the "Land of the Enslaved and the Home of the Terrified".

When you look at the Facts, the whole world looks a lot rosier.

I'm in a buyin' mode because they're in a "Scared Sellin' Mode. Don't Wake them up (tho' I don't think you can anyway), cause the deals are getting better and I'm swooping them up. None are so deaf as those who will not hear.

Keep up the Spirit bro' there is a future to plan for.

Peter Johnson,  that's a ridiculously outdated graphic there.  The US ALONE lost over 4500 people yesterday.  Beating tuberculosis handily.  Not to mention how silly it is to compare COVID-19 to the others that aren't nearly as communicable.  So much misunderstanding here.  I wish statistics and logic were required to graduate high school.

Then...

OP  worries about "our ability to grow wealth through REI."   Man,  I can only pray for your heart to be softened.  Worried about your money when lives are at stake.  You don't seem to understand that just having the old folks stay home will not solve the problem.   Despite two pages plus of people trying to explain it to you.  

Also,  did you study history?  Have you ever researched the INCREDIBLE financial devastation caused by two World Wars?  Yet, here I sit,  the child of a man who stormed Omaha Beach on D-Day,  living in wealth.  I just returned from 3 years of living in Germany,  where an even greater percentage of the population has a decent standard of living than the US---and that country was DESTROYED by the war.  (Hell,  in the three years we were there,  17 bombs were found in my city.  WWII bombs still are unearthed seventy years later!).  It will probably be an incredible financial devastation.  But we will rise up again from that.

Lastly,  since you also seem to not understand civics,  a brief article explaining how your "rights" are not exactly the same as your internalized idea of what American stands for.  https://www.politico.com/news/...

11/12.  12th contacted me two weeks ago,  they are both laid off,  forgave half the rent.  Paid the other half on March 30.