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All Forum Posts by: Nazz Wang

Nazz Wang has started 27 posts and replied 224 times.

Post: 8 Unit Building, how much would you offer?

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95

@Gavin Delmas 

Thanks for thinking about the deal. If you are new, I would really recommend you use the 2% rule and 50% rule very very sparingly. Those two rules are very rough estimates, and I only use them to filter out listings. Once one looks at a potential purchase like the I listed here, one needs to look at the real numbers or best estimates to determine the cash flow. For instance, single family and multifamily properties are drastically different. In SFR's, the tenant usually pays for all expenses not covered in property taxes and homeowners insurance, while the landlord usually pays for water, landscaping, trash, and sometimes gas and electric, which increases the overhead by a large sum. Do you see how you can't just apply the "50% of rent collected are expenses" rule on all properties? Also property taxes are very specific based on location. Notice the property tax here is about 8700, for a property that is about ~300k, while many of my other properties in California about the same in value only pay about $2500 to $3000 in taxes every year.

The 2% rule, ha, let me just say, I have properties where monthly rent is about 0.75% of the purchase price and will cashflow $300 dollars a month. You have to do your numbers based on real numbers of your target location.

Also the property is 8 units so I will not be able to use conventional loans for financing. Commercial loans are usually higher interest with a shorter loan term.

Post: 8 Unit Building, how much would you offer?

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95

@Account Closed @Brie Schmidt @Samson Kay @Account ClosedThanks for the insight. I usually used a 9% cap rate rule, but I am doing more research now about past sales of similar properties and see what the trading cap rate is. Is the trend towards 8% for a B neighborhood nowadays? What cap rate do you guys use for C and A neighborhoods?

This is also a 60 year old building with a lot of recent upgrades (or should we say, deferred maintenance caught up) in 2012. I don't have any experience with buildings more that 35 years old. Any insights?

Post: 8 Unit Building, how much would you offer?

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95

Post: 8 Unit Building, how much would you offer?

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95

Turn key building from long time owner of 26 years, here are the numbers I have verified. Class B+ neighborhood. How much would you offer?

# Description(All Figures are Annual) Monthly Annual
Amount
1 POTENTIAL RENTAL INCOME $ 5,560 $ 66,720
2 Less: Vacancy -10%   $ (6,672)
3 EFFECTIVE RENTAL INCOME $ 5,004 $ 60,048
4 Plus: Other Income  
5 GROSS OPERATING INCOME   $ 60,048
     
OPERATING EXPENSES    
6 Real Estate Taxes $ 723.00 $8,676.00
7 Personal Property Taxes $ - $ -
8 Property Insurance $ 189.17 $ 2,270
9 Off Site Management $ 483.61 $ 5,803
10 Payroll $ - $ -
11 Expenses/Benefits $ - $ -
12 Taxes/Worker's Compensation $ - $ -
13 Repairs and Maintenance $ 750.00 $ 9,000
14 Utilities $ -
15 Accounting and Legal $ - $ -
16 Licenses/Permits $ - $ -
17 Advertising $ - $ -
18 Supplies $ - $ -
19 Lawn and Grounds Keeping $ 140.00 $ 1,680
20 Miscellaneous $ 150.00 $ 1,800
21 Electric $ 50.00 $ 600
22 Gas $ 250.00 $ 3,000
23 Water $ 165.00 $ 1,980
24 TOTAL OPERATING EXPENSES $2,900.78 $ 34,809
25 NET OPERATING INCOME $2,103.22 $ 25,239 

Ha! I got the schedule E's for 2011, 12 and 13, and there was really nothing too weird on it besides they did a remodel in 2012 so the vacancy rate was a little high.

@Chris Winterhalter I really liked your idea to get copies of rent deposit. Without Schedule E I would have definitely asked for it. What are the transition issues you mentioned? I would love to know more.

Post: Post-Podcast Interview Success Update!

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95

Congrats Mehran!

Post: Importance of LLC Name?

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95
Conventional. You want lenders, sellers and tenants to take you seriously. Plus, what if you made it big? You can't do business in all 50 states being called "silly bunny properties LLC"!

Post: How is a small multifamily appraisal done?

Nazz WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Maui, HI
  • Posts 232
  • Votes 95
I would like to ask a beginner question: how is the appraisal value arrived for a small residential or mixed use multifamily property? The particular property is 8 units with two store fronts. I would like to know what are the approaches for anything less than 12 units, especially when comps are scarce. I would assume cap rate is one approach, but what cap rate will be used, if no other reference sales are available? Would someone please explain to me the available approaches to appraise small multifamily properties?

The seller agreed to a P&L, and the bank agreed to take a look at it. The reason from the seller for not providing Schedule E is they claimed a loss last year. But they did put in all new windows, boiler, gutter, blah blah blah. Perhaps a lot of a. Deterred maintenance that was done and the owners are planning to update and sell but wanted to claim expense instead of capital improvement, or b. Building is too old and is falling apart. But I will find out during inspection.

I will keep everyone updated.

Jean Bolger I agree. Probably something funny about how they did their taxes, or something funny about the building. In the latter, I will research in my own, and the earlier I don't care.