Jack - I like to cooperate with the banks when possible because they've brought me a lot of deals in the past. It's just unfortunate (for me) that they've found an easier way to unload in bulk. I definitely have to change my approach.
Rich - It appears that my area is just catching up to what you've seen in yours for a while. I'm committed to the rehab strategy so it looks like I need to get REALLY good at finding properties before they appear on the public radar. I noticed in your profile that you were able to "retire" from daily work at 29. That's great! You figured out something very early that most of us are still dreaming about. Congrats!
Karen - Hope your office building project goes well. Thanks for the feedback.
Michael P. - I'm seeing exactly what you described. I tell myself every day that I'm a "shopper", not a "buyer". That helps me resist the urge to chase a bad deal past my threshold. If the numbers don't add up, I don't buy it. I've got the feeling that the irrational buying we're seeing is because the investment "winds" are blowing in that direction. That's what got real estate in trouble in 2006. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and it won't get completely out of control. Meanwhile I'll have to live with fewer good deals.
Ben - I considered the buy and hold strategy a couple years ago but I didn't move forward with it. Now that I hear every day about so many investors and new investment companies going in that direction, I think that I've already missed the opportunity. I learned in 2006-2008 that when I see the whole crowd going in the same direction, I need to stop and head in the other direction. Thanks for your input.
Justin - Thanks for the list. That makes a lot of sense. I'm limited to items 2 & 3 but I'm hopeful that getting really good at them will make it work. By the time I'm an expert at it, maybe the market winds will be blowing my direction.
J Scott - I've been wondering how the investors you described are selling their plan to their shareholders. Either they aren't playing smart or they're hoping that they time their exit so they have a chair when the music stops. You would think that the shareholders would be savvy enough to match their strategy with current economic fundamentals (unemployment, new taxes, etc).
David - "Paying rehabbed ARV for non-rehabbed properties?".... exactly my question! I don't see how they can sell this plan to their shareholders. I hate to think that they are just in it to collect a short-term fee of some kind and will bail out when they have to actually start performing on the portfolio! I'm sure there's more to the story that we'll never know.
Ned - Thanks for your response. I'm afraid this scenario is making a crap sandwich because the lower end of the market is being inflated by incoming investors but the higher end of the market is limited by what typical buyers (people with jobs) can afford. It looks like a recipe for a stalled market.
Michelle - I'm wondering how long this pattern will last. I think the people that HAVE to buy right now will take it on the chin with the higher prices but those that have found a way to survive in a down economy (moved in with friends or relatives) are going to stay on the sidelines. This price increase is way out of line with the general market trends and will likely pass by the average person before they know what happened.
It's incredibly bizarre to me that we just recently went from terrible news every day about "10 years worth of foreclosures flooding the market.....and we'll be over-run with inventory forever"..... to suddenly, inventory levels are at a 5 to 10 year low?!!?
If you're a pilot...... you just came out of a turbulent storm cloud....get a few moments of sunshine..... and you see another dark patch ahead. Don't turn off the seat belt sign just yet. This is going to be bumpy for a while longer.