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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 32 posts and replied 633 times.

Post: TheREInvestor2 from Philly

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Welcome to BiggerPockets, Iman. Let us know if you need anything. Have you bought any properties yourself or are you strictly wholesaling? Good luck , Mike

Post: Best Area to Get Started In?

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Chris, I wouldn't say it's absolutely crucial to have the buyers list first, it's just one way to do it, so you know what your potential buyers are looking for. You can post any deal you want on that site and see what happens. However, you are less likely to get "stiffed" if you deal with buyers in your local area who are wanting to establish an "investor-birddog" relationship with you.

If that deal is a "total knock down" then that means it is to be sold for lot value (plus the cost of the teardown)? Lots don't sell as well, but if it is waterfront that may be different. Try to establish the value of it as a lot, and then see if you still have a good deal to offer.

J Y,

You just have to think with the mindset of the buyer. If you can take a deal to a buyer that is close to the market value in the area, it may be possible to get a fee, if he wants that house, but generally you have to have a discounted price for it to be attractive to an investor buyer.

You should probably not practice on your parents house because to bird dog and whoelsale you want to pay the seller as little as possible, and they might not appreciate that.

To answer your last question, here is a link to a good post by Wheatie
regarding valuation:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/69/topics/20074-potential-deal-?highlight=70%%20rule

Have fun, Mike

Post: Best Area to Get Started In?

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J Y,

You won't be able to bird dog any deals that are already being marketing in most cases, because the investors probably already know about them (such as realtor listed houses, ads in the paper, etc.). You would be looking for deals that are not being advertised. One guy on this site said "If there's a sign in the yard, it's not a deal". For example, you place a bandit sign in a neighborhood that says "We Buy Houses - Pay Cash! XXX-XXX-XXXX, and a person calls you who is in trouble financially and has a house with good equity. He has not yet listed the house, and it appeals to hiim that maybe you are a buyer who will pay cash for his house, and then he can avoid paying realtor fees, make repairs, etc. He may take less for his house in order to sell it right now. You meet with him and dsicuss his situation and get information from him, such as the names on the title, the approximate loan balance, make note of any repairs needed, etc. You mention that if he would take X amount for it under X terms would he sell it? He says yes. You tell him you need to discuss this with your partner. You then leave and do some calculations as to the value of the house and the ballpark estimate of the repairs. In general, you see that it has the makings of a deal. Previously you have spoken with an investor who says he will buy houses in the same area as your seller, for 70% of the after-repaired market value of the house. You hopefully have a number of such buyers on your list. Almost all investors would be interested in such a deal. They have agreed to pay you $500-1,000 (or whatever is customary in your area) for a solid lead. You get busy calling or emailing these buyers and pitch the deal, all but the address. The buyer is interested, and you make arrangements to meet with him and hand over the pertinent information on the house. The buyer contacts the seller and if he puts the deal together you get paid. Can the buyer stiff you? Yes, but unless you have a written agreement, that's a risk you take. If he did stiff you, he would know that you would never again bring him a good deal like that, so he will want to cultivate you as a bird dog.

Another way to look at it is from the buyers perspective. He is always looking for good deals. he is very busy managing his portfolio, and does not really haver the time to market and search for deals. It is cost effective for him to put the word out to everyone he knows, including bartenders, Starbucks baristas, various others, and bonafide bird dogs, that he is a buyer of real estate and that he will pay a fee (bird dog fee) for a good lead. Life would be good if he receives calls all the time from these people saying they have heard of this or that seller wanting or needing to sell. Even if the bird dog knows nothing about the house, just that it is vacant, or that their neighbor is getting a divorce, etc., the buyer may be willing to pay a fee for these leads. It's worth $500-1000 to pay for good solid leads if he stands to make $30K-$50K on each deal.

Post: Best Area to Get Started In?

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Chris, Yes I can see why you would be confused, I am too after reading the first statement. In my opinion in bird dogging you do not have a contract.

Post: Best Area to Get Started In?

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Chris,

"So basically the main difference between a bird dog and a wholesaler is that the bird dogger just finds the property for the investor and the wholesaler actually puts the property under agreement and then shops it to his investors?"

Yes that is correct.

"Seems like I would definitely need a RE license to be a wholesaler"

No, because as a wholesaler, you are getting the proeprty under contract in your name or entity as a prinicpal, not as an agent. A real estate agent never does have the property under contract in their name, they only act as the facillitator for the buyer and seller, which requires a license. However, in some states they might view a bird dog as a party who should be licensed in order to collect finders fees, so check your state laws.

"As a wholesaler, I'm sure there would be some type of clause in the purchase agreement allowing the transfer to the investor. I've heard the term "assignment of contract" which sounds like a specific contract for this type of deal."

Your contract would have, "Purchaser, and/or Assigns" in it, which would allow you to assign the contract. Some contracts actually say "This agreement may be assigned to another party".

Post: Where to find direct mail or email lists

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Jeff,
Yes it is better to go the the sourcwe, but mor time consuming. I sent 200 letters to a melissadata list of absentee owners. About 10 of them were returned in the mail. I took those ten, and looked them up on the county tax assessors website. I found that five of them had changed hands to other owners. Three had changed addresses, and two had been foreclosed and were now in the name of a bank as owner. So, the list I had was useful, but was maybe a few months dated.

Post: Hey everyone

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Welcome Roger! What kind of investing are you drawn to? Good luck, Mike

Post: Best Area to Get Started In?

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Chris, Welcome to BiggerPockets! If you don't have money for traditional financing, you will have to pursue a strategy of creative financing, without banks. You need to work to build up your cash reserves, as you said.

Birdogging is when you are acting as the person who is out beating the bushes for deals. The best way is to network with real investors at your real estate investors club (see the link on this site for a listing of clubs in your area), and/or call for rent ads and signs and talk to the landlords, who may be buyers for more properties, and establish a buyers list. Ask your buyers what their parameters are. Now you will have an "order list" and can go out and seek properties that fit their parameters (area, price, type of house, whatever). If you are a bird dog you will have an agreement with the buyer that if you bring a deal sheet to them, which fits their criteria for buying, they will pay you a finders fee or bird dog fee if they buy it. Then you would be out of the picture and on to the next search.

If you were a wholesaler, you would do all of the above, but you would go ahead and write a purchase agreement up, make an offer and get your offer accepted in writing by the seller. Then you would contact the investors on your buyers list and pitch your deal and see if they are interested in buying it (you will add your assignment fee to the price you are asking from the investor- end buyer. This fee can vary alot, from $2K on up. If he accepts, he closes the deal with his financing and you get your fee (or some wholesalers get their fee up front).

If you do either of these strategies you would not need much if any money to do the deal, hence the appeal to new investors. However, you do have to have a marketing plan to obtain the motivated (key word) sellers. That wil cost money. But at least it is not a huge lump sum, just a few hundred per month can buy a fairly nice marketing plan. The smarter your plan and the more you market the more potential motivated sellers you will find. Read the posts under the "Marketing" forum for alot of good ideas. Some people use bandit signs, direct mail to absentee owners or free and clear owners, etc.(you buy a list from a source like www.melissadata.com) newspaper ads, preforeclosure lists, probate, door flyers, post-it notes, yellow letters, post cards, Craigslist, and others. Keep marketing and develop a "spiel" where you can qualify the sellers so you reduce wasted time looking at houses that you can't buy because they are not motivated enough. It's a numbers game at that point, if your marketing is working. Eventually you can make offers. If you get a good deal accepted, you can always find a buyer for it.

Subject to and lease option purchasing are two strategies where you may need some money down to make the deal but not always, again, depending how motivated the seller is. Look in the "Creative financing" forum and/or use the search function to read all about these strategies and the forms to use. With these methods, you are actually buying the properties, although you could wholesale them too if the deal is good enough. I like lease options because there are more people who seem to understand it and just need you to educate them through the process. They save sales commissions, they just have to wait for their money. You find a tenant buyer, get an option payment up front, make monthly cashflow (hopefully) and make the most of your money on the back end if they buy.

Keep your education process moving and learn alot from this site and a few select books that can be bought cheaply from ebay or amazon.com (used books option).

Good luck! Keep us informed of your progress! Mike

Post: sold 3 deals and its gettin better!

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Carey, tell us what you are talking about please.

Post: New Here.....

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Welcome Alex, to the site! I know you will have fun and learn alot from reading the forums that interest you. If you have any questions feel free to ask, good luck, Mike