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All Forum Posts by: Morris Hicks

Morris Hicks has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Indeed Wayne Brooks  I have researched the Garr St Germain act. I see where it's says that it could not be triggered by the death off a parent. Not that I don't think that they would not try. But I believe I'd be safe also in that aspect. 

But why can't I buy him out of the interest in the Delaware house. That's what he is talking about doing with the Philadelphia house the last time he spoke to our estate lawyer. 

What I'd like to know is if I decided to buy him out of the Delaware home. Would I be buying him out on the equity at the time of my fathers death. Or is it about what the house is worth at the time of death or today. For that matter how do you buy out a sibling on an existing mortgage?

Yes I have posted before. Some things have changed. Because I have posted before does that mean I can get information?

So I went to see a lawyer today. I went to see him about forcing the cell of one of my deceased father's estate properties. But here's the back story first. 

Exactly three years ago my father purchased a house in Delaware. And the plan was for my family and I to move in this Delaware property with my father to help with his medical needs. The home was big enough to house my father and me as well as my three children. Three month after closing on the Delaware property my father passed away due to heart failure. My family and I (me & 3 children) currently reside in that property.  I have been keeping the mortgage payment current & even made some upgrades. (New windows all around, added a wood stove) 

The problem is with the other house in Pennsylvania.  My father had the type of insurance that when he died the Pennsylvania was paid off.  (I forget what it's called at the moment) But the problem is that my brother doesn't want to sale the Pennsylvania property.  He doesn't want to live in it either. (Ghost) He has had 2 cockamamie plans that has deterred us from being on one accord to sell the house. First, he wanted to turn the house into a daycare center. Now he has hooked up with some type of sovereignty movement teacher who is feeding him a bunch of crap about turning the house into a transitional home. In the mean while the taxes haven't been paid on that house since the last time I paid it. Which was 2 years ago. The taxes must be addressed by the end of this month. Or the city steps in. The house has been broken into and vandalized. And all the copper pipes taken out. When my brother and I was on the same Accord when when we wanted to sell the house. We were supposed to go half on the repairs and getting the house back up to code for the purpose of selling it. What happened was that I begin to make repairs in the house with my own money I replaced the copper piping that was left with pex pipe. I was the one keeping up on the maintenance and cutting the grass. Bottom line my brother didn't spend a dime on repairs and hasn't spent any time maintenancing the home and now has reneged on wanting to sell the property. 

I went to see a lawyer today about forcing the sell of that PA house. He tells me that forcing the sell of that house may in turn force the sell of the DE home also since it's apart of the estate. He goes on to say that the best thing to do would be to sign away all interest in the PA house & see if my brother would be interested in the same for the DE house Therefore leaving me solely the owner of the DE  house and him the owner of the PA house. He says that because the PA house appraised for 67k and the DE house is worth 160k. He said to look at it as if we were going to sell both properties. With it being A 100k loan on the DE property. I'd keep the 60k and the same for my brother and the 67k for the PA property. Also the lawyer said that I'd need to refinance the DE home in order to put it in my name or the bank might call in the loan.

Please tell me am I looking at this the wrong way. I see my brother Inheriting a free & clear house while I inherit a 100k loan. Tell me that my research on what can and can not trigger a due on sale clause is wrong. (I read that the bank could not do it to the hiers or any family member) Please tell me that I can buy my brother out of the De. at the date of death equity in the house.

Just so we are clear on what I wanted to do. My intentions was to fix up Dad's house and sell it and split the profits with my brother. My brother wants no part of the 100k loan that was taken out on the Delaware home. But I have 3years of equity in the home. I have paid roughly about 25k in mortgage & 15k on new windows in the DE home.

Please Advise.

Thanks in advance

Originally posted by @Mike Cumbie:

Hi @Morris Hicks,

Sorry to hear of your situation.

If I am understanding it correctly (and just making sure). You believe that the second house (the paid off one he is fighting over) should be yours for just the equity at the time of your fathers death (before paid off due to insurance). If that is the case I do not believe you are correct.

For instance lets say it was a 100K house

at 3 months in it had 20K in Equity (the down payment)

After the death it was paid in full.

You cannot pay your brother 10K to get a 100K house. He would be entitled to 50K for that home.

If I am not understanding this right I apologize.

In my opinion though I think you both need to liquidate everything split the money and walk away (both houses). Let him know that if you each get a lawyer to do it the profits will be eaten up pretty quick while they argue over liquidating 9 Sci-Fi paperbacks. If you two just liquidate everything you will each have something at the end. If you can;t agree you both will end up with a few bucks and disdain for each other.

I wish you the best of luck.

Also not legal advice in any manner just my thoughts.

 No Mike the first house in Philadelphia is the house that was paid off as aresult of my father's death and the type of insurance coverage he had on the home in the event of his death. That is the house that my brother and I are having the issue over. 

The other home located in Delaware is the home that my father closed on 3mos before he passed away. And is the home that my family and I reside in as planned when my father was still living.

My brother wants nothing to do with the Delaware home due to the 100k loan that was taken out by dad to obtain the home. This is what I mean by he thinks that it is fare that he inherits a fully paid off home while I inherent 100k loan. I was under the auspices that since dad passed away 3mos after closing on the home. If it came down to selling the house in Delaware my brother would be entitled to % 50 of the equity in the second home at the time of death as I am entitled to % 50 of the equity in the Philadelphia home that is paid off. I don't understand why selling the second property would be applicable. I say that becuase my father and I didn't put down the recommended 20 % to purchase the home in Delaware.  It was more like 7 % put down.  I know very little about real estate, but who would it benefit beside the bank to sale the house that was just purchased in 2013. I thought that I'd be able to buy my brother out depending on the equity in the Delaware home at the time of dad's death. Please, if I have this wrong don't hesitate to correct me.  That's why I am here.  To learn possible options. 

Danna Whicker my father's name is the only name on both deeds.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I forgot one basic part.  Isn't the debt of the mortgage on the house you live in required to be paid before any money goes to heirs?

 I don't believe it works like that. Once again a heir is legally able to take over the mortgage payments.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

This is the perfect example of why people should have detailed and up to date wills.

I would certainly suggest trying to work it out with your brother.  The other option would be going to court.  If you force a sale of one home, the other will most likely be sold as well.

At least he has not decided to move in with you.  Are you listed on the deed for the house you are in?  Are you listed on the mortgage?

Another issue... did you father have any other debts when he died?  Did he die in a hospital?

If you decide to fight it out, you might be surprised how little will be left after the lawyers get done.

 Yes you are so right Micheal this is exactly the reason a detailed will is important. I have been trying to work with little brother, but he keeps changing his mind after we agree on a plan of action.

Really? A forced sale would cause the other home to be sold? I was under the impression that if it came to that I'd be able to buy my little brother out due to the equity at the time of dads death only being 3mos in.

No I am not on the deed or the mortgage in the recently acquired property. But I have learned that the law permits a heir to take over the mortgage payments which I have been making since 2013.

My father died in the Philadelphia home. Which is why my brother doesn't want to live in the house. Any debt that my father had has been rectified.  My father had very good credit and very little debt.

Fighting it out seems like the only option.  Once again I just want this to be over.

Thanks for your input.

Thanks Matthew. I hope to learn many things from this forum.

Post: Hello from Delaware New member.

Morris HicksPosted
  • Dover, DE
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Thank you Rachelle. Glad to be here. 

In my attempt to make this post short as possible.  I'll jump right in. First off id like it to be known that am the disabled son of a Vietnam vet. (Agent Orange but not recognized, fixed income, divorced father of three in house children, collecting SSI) With that being said. In my father's last days on earth before he became very ill. We devised a plan which entailed him purchasing a second home in state of Delaware where I live which my family and I (wife at the time and 3 children) would also live in to assist with the medical care that was desperately needed as my father lived alone in Philadelphia's Eastwick section.

Fast forwarding. 3 mos after closing on a beautiful property in Kent County Delaware. My father passed away. I mean the property was perfect for our situation.  Complete with a first floor in law suite with a private entrance for my father. I currently reside in that home wit my family as planned. 

My problem is as follows. The property in Philadelphia was paid off the day my father passed due to insurance. When my father first passed my younger brother was supposed to move in to the home. It was later that he confessed that he could not live in the home due to memories. I must add that this confession did not come easy or timely. A year had passed of us not speaking because he did not understand how and why he'd have to pay me % 50 of the houses value if he did decide to move in permanently.  His thought process told him that I was some how robbing him if he had to use monies he received from dad's death insurance to live in the home permanently. Whereas I looked at it as an investment if the shoe were on the other foot. If dad & I hadn't made the planto move to him to Delaware. It was already known that my family and I would have moved into the Philadelphia property. Only because I was the sibling with a family paying $1000 for rent in horrible neighborhoods. Whereas, my brother was younger and not started his family.  To add insult to injury he looks at the home my father purchased in Delaware as my house, my problem.  In my attempt to explain to my little brother that what I have in Delaware is a $100, 000 loan since I desire to stay in the Delaware home. He doesn't see that it is not fare for me to inherit a 100,000 dollar loan and he inherits I fully paid for home. In a fit of rage he says that if we have to sale the Philadelphia home. We should also sale the recently acquired property in Delaware.  Once again in my failed attempt to explain to him that I'd buy him out as I would only owe him the equity that was the value the day our father passed away.  Which would be 3mos of equity on a $100, 000 loan. If I'm understanding that right from our estate attorney. 

After 2yrs of bickering.  We had what I thought was an agreement.  We decided to fix the minor repairs.  And put the house on the market.  The comps in that area of Philadelphia suggest 165k depending on condition of the house.  The house is not in bad shape at all.

The day I wanted to get started on repairs he tells me he doesn't want to sale the property.  He has attended some real estate siminar since we have last spoken. And now has alot of new ideas. For instance, he wants to turn the house into a daycare. He has spoken with someone who has told him that he could refinance the home, pay me my % 50 and use the rest for the renovations needed to become a daycare. My brother hasn't had a job in the last five years.  And I dont say that to speak ill of him. I'm just realistic about the possibilities of him obtaining a refi-loan.

(Sorry for such a lengthy post, but I assure you we are coming to the end. ;-)) I myself, as the eldest, and the one whom all the responsibility has fallen to. I Just want this to be over. I'm tired of maintaining two homes one of which is right in the same neighborhood where my brother lives. I should not have to come from Delaware to cut grass when he lives 10mins from the house. But I am the one handling the taxes, the bills, the attorneys and everything else. 

What I want is to sale the home, split the money,  and walk away. To me that's the only logical plan of action. I intend on entering the real estate game once my father's house is sold. For instance, I have seen some homes in Kent County Delaware where I now reside go for 12, 15k here. They were fixer uppers,  but I'd be comfortable starting like that with my first rental property. 

If you are still reading I apologize for the lengthy post,  but I am at my wits end with this whole situation.  I dont know what to do at this point. Short of maybe getting the estate attorney to bring the matter before a judge. I hate the thought of leaving money on the table if I am force to sale the property in it's current condition. 

Please Advise. 

Thank you in advance. 

Post: Hello from Delaware New member.

Morris HicksPosted
  • Dover, DE
  • Posts 10
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Hi, everyone. Real Estate never really interested me in the past. However, with the recent passing of my father I have been forced to learn as much as possible, as fast as possible. I am here to learn possible options for my father's estate. I will attempt to find the correct forum to post the topic.  As this is just an introduction post. So one again hello from Delaware.