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All Forum Posts by: Mitch Stephen

Mitch Stephen has started 7 posts and replied 73 times.

Post: Hello from Rockwall and the DFW TX. area

Mitch StephenPosted
  • Specialist
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

Hey BJ,

Thanks for the friend request.

Dallas is a tremendous market for the OWNER FINANCE strategy.

Post: New Investor in San Antonio

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

I loan money to local investors in San Antinio, Tx. Let me know if I can help expand your portfolio; Loans2Go.NET

--Mitch Stephen--

   210-669-4020

Post: "Owner Financing & Regulation"

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

I don't think anything worth doing is easy. I think it gets easier if you manage your expectations and build  your business steady as you go. Don't get overloaded and don't get too far out on limbs you don't understand. Go into deals you are prepared to handle.

It's common sense really. But common sense can be elusive when you're high strung or under the gun for money. I've been in both places before. 

I move at a much slower now at a calculated pace now, with pros I can depend on around me...and I'm older now! I don't know if I slowed down because I got older or because I got smarter. A little of both I suppose. 

All this being said, I'm on slightly behind pace to buy 100 houses in 2015. Some might think that's a fast pace, but, I finally learned how to set things up so I don't have to do everything. In fact, as long as I have the money lined up and in waiting, I don't have to do anything. The business model I developed, the infrastructure, and people in places handle everything!

It took me a long time to figure all this out and have the private money and confidence under my belt...from years of doing good business.

It shouldn't have taken me so long, but for whatever reason, it did. I'm not complaining; I'm just sayin', sometimes our light bulbs go off when we're ready to understand things and move to the next level. Until then, we just keep trying to absorb good and useful information. Then one day - BLINK - the light bulb comes on! "So that's what they've been trying to tell me all these years!" and then from your new place you can see what you couldn't see before. It's crazy how it happens. 

--Mitch Stephen--

Post: "Owner Financing & Regulation"

Mitch StephenPosted
  • Specialist
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

It seems the longer we live the more regulation we see. It's true in everything and real estate is no exception; Dodd-Frank, S.A.F.E. Act, Finance Reform Act, Your State's Property Code, Truth In Lending, R.E.S.P.A., etc.

It's starting to shape up like this; If you're afraid of conforming to some regulation, then stop thinking about being an entrepreneur and consider staying with a job. The owner's will be saddled with the compliance issues.

Want to start a hot-dog stand or a food truck business; regulated.

How about a nice little restaurant? Regulated.

Open up an insurance agency? Holy cow! Regulated!

Say you want to open a little Remodeling & Construction company? You bet it's regulated! licenses, permits, OSHA.

Thinking about becoming a Real Estate Broker, or an Agent? You can bet you'll be taking courses, taking exams, and answering to a board. You'll even have to buy E&O Insurance because there are so many rules your bound to get sued!

Opening a bank? Banks are so regulated it's a wonder they can even survive. In fact, the wealthiest people I know say there is a movement to consolidate the 2,000+ banks down to 5 or 6 Banks...and the over regulation is part of that movement.

Day care business; regulated

Home health care; regulated

Catering; regulated

Open a bar; regulated

Internet sales; regulated

It's hard to think of any business that's not regulated these days.

So when it comes to "Owner Financing"and regulation, it's just another day of the week. Build your team of advisers. Consult with your experts regularly, and conform. The bad news is; It takes effort, time, and money to be compliant. The good news is; The regulation keeps a lot of your competition afraid and standing on the sidelines.

I use Grant Kemp and Tony Palumbo as my Residential Loan Originators (RMLO). It's their job to keep me compliant with all the regulations within my realm.

I have a CPA that owns more houses than I do (if you can believe that) and who is a hard loan money lender himself as well.

I have several different types of attorneys;

one who specializes in eviction and foreclosures.

another real estate attorney that specializes in contractual law. This is the attorney I use to decide exactly what paperwork I'm going to use to consummate different transaction; traditional sales, owner finance sale, flips, leases, lease w/Option, etc.

If I decide to take a property "Subject To" there is one and only one attorney I'll use for that. He's expensive but he's right on top of it! It's part of his core business, and he's a pro! I'm guessing the paperwork is at least 100 pages thick. I only do sub-tos if there's enough margin to cover this attorney. Scott Horne is an attorney who has done hundred's upon thousands of real estate deals; owner financing, hard money lender, title company owner. These are the kinds of pros we need in this business.

The point is, there are rules and regs to everything in life where major money is involved. Build your team. Seek council from the best. Comply, and get on with it.

--Mitch--

Post: 70,000 Mail Pieces in 2014; What Did I Get For It?

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

I love this! Thank you for your insight. My office is just a tad behind pace to buy 100 houses in 2015. 

We mail 8,000 pieces / mo.

We build our own lists and then have a profiler edit the list down to the top 30,000 prospects.

We use 2 Ph#s in or pieces; We use a ph# directly to an acquisitions closer and we use a LiveComm.com ph# pointed to a "FREE RECORDED MESSAGE" this is huge!

We mail a physical contract to every single caller! This is huge.

We use TLO to track down owners of return post cards; we send every single one of those prospects a physical contract. This is huge!

Our goal is to by 2 houses per week. We started flat footed on Jan 1 with our plan. We got skunked a few weeks early in but our biggest week yielded 11 acquisitions... we're catching up to our goal of 2 per week.

Sales are a non-issue with LiveComm.com (you just need door openers)

We have 5 acquisition mgrs and 3 sales mgr. Within each group there's a team leader that gets an overuse on all activity. Everyone in my company is paid on results, within 48 hrs of the checks hitting our account. 

Pay scales are very lucrstive. I have studs on this team. My job is to keep all the carrots in a EXACTLY the right place, help the team close difficult transaction they'd otherwise lose. We are great closers!

Everyone is making very good money and the processes are as smooth as you can ask for; very defined.

I am responsible for all the funding dollars; me or my private lenders out up the money.

I pay a full time bookkeeper, an inside closer for our deals, and the office space (I own the building). These are the only 2 employees besides myself. Everyone gets some type of a bonus per transaction - in or out.

We will wholesale or whole-tail 40% of or acquisitions. We "Owner Finance" the other 60% and average $400/house positive cash flow with nonlanlording liabilities; we are the BANK! Payments only please; if something breaks, don't call us...it's not out house.

20 years and 1,300 deals later, I may have finally figured it out how to do volume and have a life.

It's all about having a great team and making sure EVERY ONE OF THEM are taken care of. 

--Mitch Stephen--

[email protected]

Post: The Art of owner Financing and Private Money Terms

Mitch StephenPosted
  • Specialist
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

Dustin,

I try to do as little work as possible. Believe me, the best plan on the planet is 

BUY IT - DON'T FIX IT - OWNER FINANCE IT for Double ...and watch your buyer go over budget fixing up your collateral. This makes for a great note sale with NO Discount. Now, there's a time and a place to do a little rehab; It makes sense to do some work especially when it's cosmetic.

Post: The Art of owner Financing and Private Money Terms

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

"Why I Borrow for the Terms I Do
How I handle the Balloon Payment"

I almost always borrow money from private lenders to buy my houses. I borrow at the following terms;

$0 Down payment

8% Interest

Interest Only

5 yr Term

Non-Recourse

Early on it’s important to borrow “Non-Recourse”, meaning “collateral only” (no personal guarantee).

It’s also important to borrow with permission from your private lender to “Wrap” their underlying mortgage when I sell the collateral to my buyer using owner financing. This is called a "wrap around mortgage.” I create a 1st lien when I borrow the money from my private lender to buy the property. I create a 2nd Lien when I sell the property to my buyer and owner finance the balance they owe to me. I owe a payment on a first lien to my lender and my buyer owes me a bigger payment to buy the property from me. My buyer pays me and I pay my lender; my buyer’s mortgage "wraps around" my lenders mortgage.

Here is my typical deal:

  • I find a home I can by for $23K
  • I borrow $25K @ 8% interest only for 5 years; my payment is $167/mo.(I pick up $2,000 when I buy the property)
  • I sell the property As-Is for $57K - $5K down and finance the balance using a wrap-around mortgage; I carry the $52k balance at 10.5% for 20 years; my incoming payment is $524/mo
  • (I pocket the $5K as well)

In this scenario I pick up $7K in cash for creating $357/mo positive cash flow for 240 months…of which I am not a landlord…I am the bank!
($357 x 240 months = $85,680 + $7,000 = $92,680)

You absolutely do not have to use my exact borrowing formula. You can borrow at whatever you can negotiate and for whatever terms that work for you. Some investors I know do borrow amortized money instead of interest only. Of course, I’d prefer to borrow at 20 to 25 years fixed at 6% (or 1% for that matter). I have to borrow at terms lenders want to participate in. I borrow the money with the terms 8%, 5years, interest only, non-recourse for several reasons.

1). Early on I needed all the cash flow I could get. Interest only is the best one can do.

2). My private lenders are very focused on NOT eroding their principal. They only want to spend the interest their money makes and protect their principle investment. My private lenders, in general, are up in years. I need to keep things simple for them. If I send them "interest only" payments, my lenders automatically know they can spend all the payments I send them. If I sent them a "Principle + Interest" payment, my private lender has to go to an amortization schedule each month and figure out how much of the payment was principle and how much was interest; they only want to spend the interest amount. Simple enough right? ...It's too complicated for them.

As I stated earlier, I’d prefer a fully amortized loan that’s good for me and easy enough to sell to my lenders; let’s say 8% for 20 yrs. However, my private lenders tend to be up in age and unwilling obligate their money for long periods of time. This is part of the reason I arrived at a 5 year term. The other reason is that we simply have to have an ending date.

3). When you have a principle + Interest payment, you’re going to pay tax on your principle reduction; you'll pay tax on money going out of you cash flow that is to your credit. In the early days I wanted to pay tax on just the money I collected in my bank account. I did not want to owe tax on income not in my bank account because it was listed as a gain; it reduced my debt (principle pay down).

4). I borrow Non-Recourse because I can. When given a choice between borrowing money by signing a "Personal Guarantee" or by borrowing "Non-Recourse" ...always pick "Non-Recourse" ...meaning, the only recourse against you (the borrower), if you don't pay, is the lender can take the propertyfrom you. The lender can't sue you and/or attach all your other assets in a judgment against you and your holdings.

Eventually, as your reputation and financials grow, you be forced to make an important decision; do I borrow at 8% and non-recourse from a private lender ...or do I borrow from a bank at 4.5% and sign a personal guarantee? When the time comes, you'll need to make you own decision, but, if you go with a bank loan I'd strongly suggest you include an interest rate cap (if the loan is adjustable), no covenants, and that the loan be fully amortized.

So that's why I borrow money at 8%, Interest Only, Non-Recourse.

What Happens at Balloon Time?

So, a lot of people have asked, "Mitch, how do you handle the balloon payment in 5 years?”

#1. Simply Renew:
Understand this, if your private lenders are up in age, they don’t want to be paid off! Yes it’s true, they won’t obligate their money for 20 years but at the same time, I seldom have to pay them off at the five year balloon.

Remember, these folks are generally living on fixed incomes at this point in their lives. They are 65 – 70 – 75 – 80 – 85 years old. They are living off the interest payments you’re sending them each month. By now, they’ve grown to trust you. They are relaxed knowing that you always send a check and your check always gets there on or before the first of each month.

#2. Replace Them with Another Private Lender:

In my experience, there is always another private lender that wants to get more money out or that you just paid off and they want their money back out. Refer to #1.

#3. Replace Them with a “Low Interest” Institutional Loan

Did you know that smaller community banks will talk your owner financed note as collateral? Get four or five little community bank to start competing for your business! I’ve done this and it worked like a charm.

I put $1,000,000 worth of private lender debt up for re-finance and took my spreadsheet to 4 community banks. I told the lending officer at each bank I was looking to refinance my underlying debt and pledge my owner financed notes as collateral. They asked me what kind of terms would work and I told them I wanted a 15 – 20 fully amortized loan at Prime Rate+ 0.50%. I knew this was overly optimistic but that is truly what I wanted. Almost all of the officers came back and said they couldn’t fix the rate for 15 years. So I went back and said I’d consider an adjustable rate mortgage under the following conditions:

-The loan had to be fully amortized

  • (Meaning the loan had to be for a full 15 or 20 year term…no chance to discontinue the loan)
  • -The rate adjusted every 5 years at Prime + 0.50
  • -There was some sort of interest rate cap
  • -There were no covenants

Within days I had letters of intent (LOI) rolling in. They weren’t offering exactly what I wanted but I went to the worst offer and informed them that I had other offers that were better than there offer, and that they ‘d have to get closer to XYZ terms or they would have no chance of winning the loan. I did this in round robin fashion until I ended up with the loan I accepted;

  • -4.5% initial rate
  • (Prime + 1)
  • -5 year adjustment

(interest rate to adjust to Prime + 1)

  • -9% interest rate cap

(maximum interest rate possible)

-15 year term – fully amortized

(Fully Amortized – meaning no “Renew & Adjust”…just adjust)

  • -No Covenants

(They can only call my note due if I did NOT make the payment…they could not call the

note due based on any ratios;debt vs. income or appraised value vs. loan balance, etc.)

#4. Sell the Note:

After five years of collecting payments, the note balance should be down and the property value should be up. This is what we call a “well seasoned note” (Meaning it has a good performance record). If you payer has paid on time as agreed, this should be an easy note to sell because of the spread between the note balance (The balance owed to you by your buyer) and the property value (the collateral’s value).

#5. Deed the Property Back to the Lender and Call it a Day!

Give the deed back to the lender! Since you borrowed non-recourse, this is the worst case scenario. But look at it like this; if you got into an investment property with none of your own money (even borrowed a little extra to put in your pocket), collected a down payment (you put in your pocket), and then collected a positive cash-flow of $350 t0 $450 per month for 5 years (you put in your pocket), and then you had to give the property back…would that be such a bad deal? NO, IT WOULDN’T! Some would call this a strategy!This is the worst case scenario

Now I’ve never given back a deed before in my entire career. I’ve never had to. There was always another lender or a note buyer in waiting. But, I bet you if I offered an 80 man the deed to the house…he’d reconsider extending the loan…no doubt! But giving back deeds is not what we got into the owner finance strategy for. We got into the owner finance strategy because it creates income today while building cash flow for tomorrow.

The coup de gras in almost all creative real estate investing strategies is one’s ability to find and access private money. If you master the art of finding private lenders, you are a multi-millionaire in waiting. All that’s left is to learn how to find great deals and how to paper them up in such a way there’s little to no chance you can get hurt in the ebb and flow of economies. Accept the challenges, move forward, and make sure you can live with the worst case scenario. Plan for the best prepare for the worst. Becoming financially independent is a way of thinking, a strategy with a path, a tact into the wind; knowledge!

--Mitch Stephen--

Post: Making an Offer

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

I use the regular real estate forms promulgated by the state of Texas as written by the Texas Real Estate Commission (TREC) and used by the Realtors in my state. I did have an attorney draw up my first set of selling documents (Mortgage and Deed of Trust and Promissory note with Amortization schedule etc. I took it from there. 

--Mitch Stephen--

Post: Doing a wrap on a vacant parcel with owner carry

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

Get permission from your lender to do the Wrap- Around Mortgage. 

If the property is going to be a homestead or otherwise the buyer's home, hire an residential Mortgage Loan Originator (RMLO) to keep you compliant with Dod-Frank etc.

you're wrap-around mortgage should explain to your buyer's everything about your underlying debt.

Find a private lender to replace the current lender...get more favorable terms than the 1 yr balloon. the key to almost every investment strategy is private money with favorable terms. Perhaps this is a great place to start cultivating your private lender pool.

--Mitch Stephen--

Post: FLIP using PRIVATE MONEY & OWNER FINANCING

Mitch StephenPosted
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  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 81
  • Votes 97

In Texas you can hire companies to keep you SAFE ACT compliant. You can sub-out the loan application process to a license holder. Companies are popping up all over the state.
Don't get one state's laws confused with other State's laws. I didn't just make this path up...it's been a long process. In the beginning, we were all in the dark. Lots of people, known to me and not known to me, have arrived at the same interpretations.

--Mitch Stephen--

--Mitch Stephen--