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All Forum Posts by: Matt J.

Matt J. has started 43 posts and replied 269 times.

Post: Good cash flow, but after repairs, upside down.

Matt J.
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Many people have already said this, but keep searching for a different deal. Way too many things could go wrong with this one and there's not enough equity to make it worth your while. I also was wondering where you came up with setting aside 20% for Capex and 10% for maintenance every month. Setting aside that much makes it seem like it would be pretty hard to find many places that would cashflow at all.

Post: Did You Have Your Loan Called Due After Quit-claiming to LLC?

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@Jeff Rogers I've heard something similar from other lenders on the "don't ask, don't tell" thing. That just makes me nervous though. I did talk to a lawyer a while back about protecting yourself with your rental properties and he suggested I could do a lot of that with an umbrella policy versus putting them into an LLC. Seems like there's no real consensus though on what to do.

Post: Did You Have Your Loan Called Due After Quit-claiming to LLC?

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Originally posted by @Mike S.:

@Matt Jennissen

I had a HELOC from Wells Fargo. I transferred the property to a land trust with the intent to put the assignment later to an LLC to get the Garn st Germain protection on the due on sale clause.

Indeed WF didn’t call the loan due, but they froze my line of credit instead. I had to close it to be able to refi somewhere else. And WF took months to release the lien in violation of many regulations. I had to start suing them to make them move.

That sounds like my worst case scenario right there. Glad you were able to get it figured out!

Post: Target Cashflow Per Door on 20-50 Unit Apartments?

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Thanks everyone! I see that apartments are quite a bit different than single family and duplexes/triplexes that I'm used to when considering the financials behind them. Still have a lot to learn in this space. 

Post: Target Cashflow Per Door on 20-50 Unit Apartments?

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Originally posted by @David Brent:

Sorry - I thought you meant raise funds from outside investors.  No.  But i DID get loan (35/65) at under 4% from regional bank.

Yeah that's what I meant, that's a great rate! 

Post: Target Cashflow Per Door on 20-50 Unit Apartments?

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Originally posted by @David Brent:

That isn't really fair to say it's irrelevant. It's just another way (among the dozens of metrics) to analyze a deal or your actual property. I have a 24 unit property, and track CoC ann. trend and $ per door ann. trend monthly.

Cash on Cash formula is Cash flow/down-paymnt + fees.

Per door is Cash flow/number of doors.

In both cases the numerator is the same, changing the denominator just gives you a different way to look at it.  (and a simpler way to understand it for many.)

eg. my 24 unit makes CF of $60 annually. Thats ~200$ pd/pm. If that was a 30 unit, it would be ~165$ pd/pm. If I paid the same $ for both sample properties, you are right, the lower cash flow per door for the 20 unit makes it look less attractive - but the CoC and IRR would be exactly the same (based on the $60k). So I see that point. But f we play that out, and make it a 100 unit with that same $60k CF, the pd/pm is just $45 - even though your CoC and IRR is the same. I'd rather ONLY manage and R&M 24 tenants than 100 any day. So there is SOME value in using $ per door as ONE of many metrics to look at...

Thanks David, really good insight here. Never considered this perspective of the cash flow per door changing while the CoC and IRR could remain the same. Your 24-unit, do you own that individually or did you raise funds for it?

Post: Target Cashflow Per Door on 20-50 Unit Apartments?

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Originally posted by @Greg Dickerson:
Originally posted by @Matt J.:

I know this will vary greatly by market, but in general, what are people targeting for cashflow per door on mid-sized apartment buildings?

Return per door is irrelevant. It's all about return on investment over time and velocity of cashflow. Cash on cash and IRR are the metrics you need to focus on not doors.

I guess I'm looking at apartments not so much from the syndication model as a single owner, potentially 2-partner purchase. Does that make the return per door more relevant or not? 

Post: Target Cashflow Per Door on 20-50 Unit Apartments?

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I know this will vary greatly by market, but in general, what are people targeting for cashflow per door on mid-sized apartment buildings?

Post: When do your rentals typically start making money/making sense?

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@Scott Goulet you should interview some new property managers. Find 3 or 4 and ask for referrals from current property owners so you can hear from them on what the experience is like working with that particular property management company.

Post: Duluth MN Airbnb or other STRs

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Originally posted by @Corey Robert Leet:

Hey Eric,

Funny, I just read that article again. I'm always curious if there is any data that shows short term rentals create more issues for the city and neighbors. We have stayed in many STRs throughout the US and they always seem to be very well maintained. I'd think people would be more concerned by college rentals in Duluth. I do understand the need for affordable housing in Duluth, but I'm amazed at the resistance to STRs in Duluth since its economy is so driven by tourism. Good luck!!

I doubt there's much data. The real reason, that they won't outwardly admit, is that the hotel owners have HUGE sway over what the city council decides to do. More STRs mean more competition for the hotel owners, who can charge exorbitant prices with the status quo. There's been concern about the college rentals near campus, but that's an issue that probably won't go away and the city has more or less resigned to that fact.