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All Forum Posts by: Mike Sangapore

Mike Sangapore has started 3 posts and replied 20 times.

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
Agent
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Quote from @Greg Henderson:
Quote from @Mike Sangapore:
Quote from @Greg Henderson:

Do you have a plan to pull your money back out? Depending on the market, It can be difficult to get cash out financing at that price point. 


I would likely do a cash out or HELOC within a year or so if I end up purchasing. But yes, I agree but it wouldn't be too much of an issue if I were to leave the cash in the property for 2-3 years.

You should approach your bank with what you want to do and see if its something they want to refinance. Logically it doesn't make sense, but a lot of lenders will not touch a property under 100k ARV. Its better to approach the issue on the front end instead of getting side lined when you try to refi. I've got a good relationship with 3 local banks, a dozen properties, perfect credit, and a large savings runway. I'm having a lot of issues with cash out financing after a cash purchase.

 Turns out it's not going to work out - I had someone check it out/take better pictures and it's a no deal. Other pics were meticulously taken. Thank you for the feedback!

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
Agent
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Quote from @Greg Henderson:

Do you have a plan to pull your money back out? Depending on the market, It can be difficult to get cash out financing at that price point. 


I would likely do a cash out or HELOC within a year or so if I end up purchasing. But yes, I agree but it wouldn't be too much of an issue if I were to leave the cash in the property for 2-3 years.

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
Agent
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Mike Sangapore will this 'someone' be a licensed home inspector?


 Unfortunately he is not.

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
Agent
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Mike Sangapore are you going to have an inspection?


 It won't be much of an inspection - but as of 5 minutes ago, I'll have someone out there for pics and a 'walkthrough inspection.'

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
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Quote from @Ben Scott:

Ah ok. Can you lay eyes on the property? Could you walk the property before depositing any earnest money?


 No, I likely won't have the time/resources to do it as quick as I'd need to. It would be in my best interest to find someone on FB or somewhere to take better/more detailed photos.

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
Agent
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Quote from @Ben Scott:

Sounds like you'd get a cash on cash return of more than 20% without accounting for any expenses. Just the cash you invested coupled with the annual income. Looks like a good deal on paper.


 Yeah I agree - I suppose it's the 'unknown' I'm worried about - I have not yet seen the property with my own eyes so the pictures may be deceiving. 

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
Agent
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Quote from @Bill B.:

In many areas “the roof needs to be replaced in the next 10-15 years” means the roof is brand new as they often only last 10-15 years total. If you’re sure you can sell it for $60k and you don’t need a new roof for 10{ years you probably won’t lose money unless it’s a bad neighborhood. 

You need to add your location to your profile and/or this post so local experts can weigh in low cost properties are often high risk because repairs can be a higher percent of total value. Like a $2,000 used car needing a $1500 repair versus a $50,000 used car needing the same repair. 


 Thank you for the response! The zip is 35020 and it's on 9th Ct - the neighborhood is not the best but certainly not the worst. 

Post: Does my deal make sense?

Mike Sangapore
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Hey everyone,

I am currently under contract with a seller for $50k cash as a long term investment. It rents for $900/mo but will need a lot of work in the future. It is definitely livable (hence the renter) and in good enough condition to *hopefully* last a few years without any major issues. However, EVERYTHING would need updating to get it to 'retail value' which seems to still be only around $75k. The roof will need to be replaced in the next 10-15 years as well. The properties in the area aren't going for much more than about 75k so BRRRR'ing would not pull much of my equity out by the time it got to that point. That being said, I'm looking at this primarily as a (seemingly) good cash flow opportunity - improvements would be modest if/when they occurred. The seller and I have great rapport but she is unwilling to sell for anything less than $50k (and no interest in seller finance). I can provide any other useful information if necessary - I just thought I'd get the opinion of the BP community. I don't have much hope in this deal and my eggs aren't all in this basket! Let me know what you think.

Thank you!

Post: Good time to Cash Out Refinance?

Mike Sangapore
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Quote from @Timothy Hero:

I don't think rate should be your focus. You're sitting on over $300k in cash that's doing absolutely nothing.

Even if your rate is 7% on the refinance, the proceeds will allow you to buy another 1-2 properties.

Value: $325k

Loan: 75% LTV ($243k)

Walk with $234k after escrow and closing costs.

$234k with 20% down + closing costs will get you around $825k more in properties.

I agree - time to do something with it. I'll come back with an update!

Post: Good time to Cash Out Refinance?

Mike Sangapore
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Mike Sangapore:

Hey Guys,

I have a duplex with 100% equity that's probably worth around $325k and is rented for a gross total of $2,450/mo. I'm looking to buy a rental to rent as an Airbnb. I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to take advantage of this market (before it really takes a downturn) and cash-out-refinance and sit on the cash until I can find the next good deal. If it's worth $325k, which is conservative, I'd likely be able to walk away with somewhere around $225k which would decrease my cashflow from about $1,850 to about $700/month. The Airbnb range I was looking to be in would be around $300-400k so I would be taking out another mortgage but of course making sure the numbers would make sense and would generate more than the original net $1,850/mo that I'm sitting on now. Let me know your thoughts - this would only be my second rental so I'm very new and trying to make sure I cover all my bases. 

What, exactly, are you "taking advantage of" in this market? Rates are no longer low. Prices are high, disconnected from reality due to unwise frenzy shoppers, and likely to go down in the very near future. Short-term rental performance has been above historical norms for two years and I'll bet dollars to bagels that it won't stay that way.

Now's not a good time to venture into something new, particularly higher risk 


I appreciate your feedback! What I'm looking to 'take advantage of' is 60% the opportunity I have in front of me, 40% the market itself. Having 100% equity in the property and not doing anything with it seems silly to me. Prices are still high and, although interest rates are no longer low, my job as a wholesaler is to find properties and acquire them at a discount. If I can pull my equity out (whether a HELOC or cash out) of what is still a hot market and find a good deal(s), it seems like a good time to do so - as long as the acquisition numbers make sense of course.