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All Forum Posts by: Mike Petrosinelli

Mike Petrosinelli has started 4 posts and replied 15 times.

Originally posted by @Jeff Gold:

@Collin Hays very well said! Panic buying. To me that’s when my antennas go up and they say… slow down rather then speed up. I wonder how many people are really doing their “due diligence” before walking into these deals. I think they are worried the train will leave without them. To me, you have to know your own rhythm. Trying to “outbid” others in inflated doesn’t jive with me. I think there are hidden gems but sometime stop and think outside the box. I haven’t bought in this market yet but might…. Only if it makes fiscal sense. My 2 cents… 


 Completely agree. Investment needs to make sense I'm not running because everyone else is. Checking the "cash" box would help immensely I believe. I've lost a couple deals to cash offers that were only 15-20k over asking. The deal still penciled in those circumstances. If I were to offer $30k over the cash offer for that deal, it still would cashflow but not nearly enough to justify the investment.

Originally posted by @Dado Vucak:

As Russell mentioned, offer 10k, 20k, 30k, even 50k over asking and I bet you’ll start beating out those cash offers. 

If I was selling my house and someone offered me $500k cash, 10 day close, no contingencies and another individual offered me $550k, 45 day close with a 7 day inspection period, I wouldn’t even think twice about it. I’d take the $550k offer. 

Cash offers are great for motivated sellers. They need that money right now! The $550k offer can fall through and I would have to relist and wait for another offer to come through.

However, if you’re not in a position where you need the money immediately, the $50k over asking offer is more attractive, at least in my opinion. I have to wait a little longer and have to risk the deal falling through but I walk away with more money at the end. 

Given that your buying an STR, I would be willing to bet most of the sellers are not motivated sellers.

That being said, offer more and I’m sure you’ll start beating out those offers. 

Good luck! 

The issue I have with this is you end up over paying for the property. A cabin in one of my markets was listed for $190k, great deal at list price. I offered $220k no contingencies and would cover appraisal. There were cash offers way over this. Would have had to offer $260k+ at that point the deal from a return perspective barely made sense. 12% return on a small STR is a no go in my mind. I could also buy a newer 3BR for not much more so buying a 1BR cabin at $260k would make no sense.

Originally posted by @Collin Hays:

I have both purchased and sold STRs in the last 12 months.

When I find a deal that I want, I make a cash offer and close the next week.  No appraisals, inspections, etc.  Right now, that's the only way to get the really good deals, as if you have any "ifs and buts" in your offer, or if you have to "think it over" for a few days, you've lost.  There are cash buyers standing in line to take your place.  This is still very much a seller's market.  If you want to play, you play by the seller's rules.  

After the sale, I simply got a mortgage on the property through my local bank and pulled my cash back out.  But getting a mortgage isn't a part of the buying process.  If it is, you aren't getting the good deals.

This summer, I sold a STR to a buyer that had to obtain a mortgage. I liked the folks and decided to work with them and wait it out. Well it took 3 months to get the thing closed, and was an ordeal. So in hindsight, I should have just taken the easy way out and accepted a cash offer.

There will come a day, sooner or later, that it is very much a buyer's market. I've seen that and lived through it. I recall just a few years ago in Gatlinburg that STR owners were walking away from their properties and handing the keys back to the bank (remember the short sales?). Banks were then begging buyers to make them an offer - any offer - to get the house off of their books.

I recall one fellow that bought a cabin in Cosby in something called the Maranatha Resort.  He paid over $800,000 for it.  Had an indoor pool.  The financial crisis hit, he couldn't make the payments, gave it back to the bank, and someone bought it from the bank for just over $200,000.  Today it's probably back to $800K.  Maybe $1 mil.

I agree cash offers are just stronger than financing assuming same price. The issue is- I don't have the cash to buy a property 100% cash. Wow that's an insane deal. 

Hi BP community! I've been looking to purchase an STR for 4 months now but every time I find a great deal there's multiple cash offers. I'm sure many on here can relate. I'm 24 and don't have $300k in cash to put down and even if I did I would never want to tie up $300k in one property when I could buy 6 or more with leverage.
I also doubt this many people are buying properties all cash. Probably using some sort of private financing. High net worth individual maybe hard money? Are people bringing in a HNW partner that puts up the cash and then take a loan out from them? And would the investor take a certain % of cashflow from the deal? The other partner I assume would manage the property while the money partner is passive. What are some typical structures for this?

@Alan Barrett My main concern with that place was the small kitchen. Need to put in a lot of $ to expand in addition to other things. Price is fair but I'm sure it will get bid up. 

Post: STR in Costa Rica Beaches

Mike PetrosinelliPosted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 7

Does anyone own or has thought about owning STRs in Costa Rica beach towns? I'm sure covid had a huge impact on 2020 revenue but seems like it could be viable. 

Post: Bad Information around 10% down

Mike PetrosinelliPosted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 7

Isn't there a restriction on where you can buy? Since this is a second home/vacation rental, it wouldn't make since to have multiple properties in the same destination (ex. not owning 3 properties in broken bow), don't the 10 properties need to be spread out? 

Hey Sean, also looking for a STR in the Shenandoah Valley. What does your insurance charge include? Are you doing 10% down?

Also interested in STR in Shenandoah valley. Any investors willing to share expense numbers and agent recommendations with me?

Post: Outer Banks North Carolina

Mike PetrosinelliPosted
  • Arlington, VA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 7

@Stephen Ray @Greg Dickerson Makes sense seems like the the market can bear the addition of new rentals without putting much downward pressure on occupancy rates. Definitely noticed that there is a lot of older inventory out there that could use updating, which could present an opportunity to buy below AV, upgrade, and increase rents. Attempting to run some numbers on oceanside properties, finding my expense ratios are 50-55% so possibly being too conservative, or maybe just haven't found the right property. Will keep looking thanks for the inputs!