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All Forum Posts by: Mike K.

Mike K. has started 5 posts and replied 81 times.

Post: HELOC Guidance Needed

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Quote from @Hillary Klumpp:

Hello BP team,

I'm going to utilize a HELOC from my personal residence to fund investment properties. Can someone please provide advice as to where I should start my search for an institution to provide my HELOC? I have access to my local credit union and small regional bank as well.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Hillary 


Hillary I'm in the process of getting a HELOC. I talked to several lenders and Citizens Bank had the best terms - 8.15% with no origination fees. Many of the lenders quoted me over 9% with origination fees. Best of Luck.

Post: Duplex with Utilities included in Rent

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I'm looking at a older 2 story duplex with a unit on each level.  Property is priced right and there is a positive cash flow with an estimated $300/mo utility cost.  My concern is there are window AC units which could result in much higher electric bills in the summer.  Would you consider a rental duplex that doesn't have split utilities?  If so how much of a price discount would it take to account for the utility costs?  Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

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how much into construction ? How much will it be worth after its complete ?


Two great questions. I am using the extended due diligence period to get the most accurate renovation estimate as possible. Current rent rates for all 4 tenants are well below market rate because of the condition of the property. I'm hoping my value add will put the ARV between $435,000 and $500,000 (commercial appraisal). From a residential appraisal, I have not been able to create an ARV because of the lack of comps. Do you have any recommendations?


Usually residential properties up to 4 units are valued by residential appraisers.  5+ units is considered commercial. At all the lenders I have worked for a 4 Unit would be assigned to a residential appraiser. It's up to the appraiser how much consideration to give to the Income Approach to value versus the Sales Comparison Approach commonly used for single family homes. They will typically complete both approaches on a 2-4 Unit. 

Have you gone through an appraisal on a 2-4 unit complex? 

Yes, I have looked at hundreds of appraisals of 2-4 units. That's what I do for a living, for the past 25 years. I've even completed a few of them myself. I'm very familiar with Fannie and Freddie guidelines and USPAP. Bottom line - It's up to the appraiser to decide which valuation approach to hang his hat on, regardless of the GSE guidelines.


 Thanks, Mike! In your experience looking through appraisals of 2-4 units, do any standout that were overwhelmingly off/missed for the buyer? Im trying to gain awareness of what might come my way, when we go through the appraisal process. 

 The accuracy of the appraisal depends on the quantity and quality of market data available. If you are in an active market with many recent sales of 2-4 units homes the appraiser will be able to find a few highly similar properties that have recently sold that are highly reliable indicators of value. If not then the appraiser has to use sales of less similar properties in the same area, or find sales from a similar neighborhood and make adjustments which lowers the credibility of the valuation. Unfortunately right now there are not a lot of sales of residential properties in many markets.  Appraiser should also be looking at active listngs and consider how long properties are listed before selling (DOM) and what the sale price to list price ratio is. 

Post: Newbies: investing is not rocket science - don't let the gurus tell you otherwise

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Quote from @Bob Stevens:

I have never read any RE books or been to a guru seminar and have done it all. I have flipped " turnkey " (without the turnkey price) about 500 deals in the Cleveland markets. Purchased from various auctions, short sales, wholesalers and just lowballing on MLS. 1ks of renos/repairs, 1ks or so move in and outs, expert on all govt programs and more. Learned as I went, vs sitting in classrooms. So many make it more complicated than it is. Its ALL about numbers, NOTHING else. Just do the math. KNOW YOUR NUMBERS, that's all its about ,

All the best to everyone 


 Bob, where can I attend your seminar.....

Post: BRRRR using Sheriff Sale purchases and HELOC

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Michael Smythe, thanks for the input, much appreciated. I've been in the home valuation business for 30 years, so I'm highly proficient at using the MLS and County Records nationwide. Back in the day before the catastrophic housing crash I noticed the DOM rapidly rising in Detroit. I convinced the powers that be at my Subprime Lender employer to stop making loans in Michigan about a year before the $hit hit the fan.

I took a look at some of the completed Sheriffs Auctions in Columbus and the surrounding counties. I did notice that most of the completed sales sold well above the min bid, except for the low priced ones. Many of them sold too close to market value for the risk involved. Seems like there may be too much investment capital chasing too few distressed properties at this time.   

Most of my kids are now out of the nest and I'm finally in a position to start investing in RE.  Trying to find the right strategy before jumping in the water.  Seems like the biggest challenge right now is finding a property that fits the criteria without another investor grabbing it first. I have a strategy I'm looking at, but I'm hesitant to post it. 

Post: BRRR in Columbus Ohio area

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Wow, that's quite a modern design. I won't have thought Newark was so trendy...

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

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Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

how much into construction ? How much will it be worth after its complete ?


Two great questions. I am using the extended due diligence period to get the most accurate renovation estimate as possible. Current rent rates for all 4 tenants are well below market rate because of the condition of the property. I'm hoping my value add will put the ARV between $435,000 and $500,000 (commercial appraisal). From a residential appraisal, I have not been able to create an ARV because of the lack of comps. Do you have any recommendations?


Usually residential properties up to 4 units are valued by residential appraisers.  5+ units is considered commercial. At all the lenders I have worked for a 4 Unit would be assigned to a residential appraiser. It's up to the appraiser how much consideration to give to the Income Approach to value versus the Sales Comparison Approach commonly used for single family homes. They will typically complete both approaches on a 2-4 Unit. 

Have you gone through an appraisal on a 2-4 unit complex? 

Yes, I have looked at hundreds of appraisals of 2-4 units. That's what I do for a living, for the past 25 years. I've even completed a few of them myself. I'm very familiar with Fannie and Freddie guidelines and USPAP. Bottom line - It's up to the appraiser to decide which valuation approach to hang his hat on, regardless of the GSE guidelines.

Post: how to calculate Rehab cost

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Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hey @Avery Biles - Like @Bruce Woodruff mentioned the answer is...it depends!

But a good place to start is by figuring out what a rough price per square foot cost would be in your area for a unit turn, cosmetic, and full gut renovation.

Here in Chicago unit turn might run $15-25/SF, Cosemtic $45-65. and full renovation $90-$110 of interior renovations only.

Hopefully this at least steers you in the right direction.


 Costs per square foot is not a great metric because is depends on the price tier and market area you are and what quality of fixtures and finishes is expected by the buyer.

Post: BRRRR a quadplex. Is it possible???

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Quote from @Stephen Bruce:
Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

how much into construction ? How much will it be worth after its complete ?


Two great questions. I am using the extended due diligence period to get the most accurate renovation estimate as possible. Current rent rates for all 4 tenants are well below market rate because of the condition of the property. I'm hoping my value add will put the ARV between $435,000 and $500,000 (commercial appraisal). From a residential appraisal, I have not been able to create an ARV because of the lack of comps. Do you have any recommendations?


Usually residential properties up to 4 units are valued by residential appraisers.  5+ units is considered commercial. At all the lenders I have worked for a 4 Unit would be assigned to a residential appraiser. It's up to the appraiser how much consideration to give to the Income Approach to value versus the Sales Comparison Approach commonly used for single family homes. They will typically complete both approaches on a 2-4 Unit. 

Post: BRRRR using Sheriff Sale purchases and HELOC

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@Mike K.

%80 LTV is hard to come by right now unless you have a really good rent to value

Some BRRRR Nuances that can get you in trouble:

It is easy to underestimate your rehab budget.
It is easy to overestimate your ARV.
It is easy to underestimate the timeline.
It is easy to underestimate loan costs.

I'm looking at a sheriff auction property at $140k. ARV is $230k - $240k. Using $230k at 75% gives me a loan amount of $161k which should cover purchase and rehab costs for interior remodel. If the exterior needs work I likely won't buy the property. Rent is $1,600-$1,800/mo. I'm calculating a $100-$200/mo positive cash flow. This is in a single family home development built in the 1960s with a 60% of homes owner occupied. Predominate SP range is $180k-$240k with not a lot of distressed sales. Seems like a good deal for my first investor purchase. Gotta start somewhere.