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All Forum Posts by: Mike B.

Mike B. has started 8 posts and replied 377 times.

Post: Sale price without comps

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349

Hey Keith, congrats for getting started. I'd start reaching out to construction contacts before you buy the house, certainly not after. The averages won't matter much if you can't find someone to perform when it counts. Also, you don't want to waste time after you close. In a perfect world, rehab starts the day after closing or at the very least, you're submitting for permits at that time (if necessary). Good luck!

Post: Paying cash vs Financing on a Flip

Mike B.Posted
  • Developer
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349

Hey Javier, Paying cash will save you a good amount of money on fees/interest. Aside from that, you will usually see a discount on the purchase with a cash offer as opposed to financing. The rehab will certainly go quicker using cash as well. When you draw funds for the rehab, you'll have to stop for inspections and wait for funding. You're usually looking at about a week or so for that process. While it doesn't sound like much time, if you submit 4 draw requests, it adds at least a month to your rehab time...that's an extra month in taxes, insurance, maintenance, interest, etc... it starts to add up quick. Time is just as important as the profit in a flip. Don't discount that part of it. Good luck!

Do you live in the property as well? I believe there's a different set of rules for owner occupied rentals (6 units or fewer)

Well, here we go. My biggest mistake(s) bled over two properties. 

-I bought a house with a capital partner in River Forest, IL for $305k (PP included architectural plans). Since the plans came with the property we were VERY confident in our rehab budget. The problem was that the plans weren't approved by the city. By the time the city got done changing the plans, our rehab budget went from $90k to $154k. 

-I hosted 5 local high performing brokers approx 6 weeks before completion. 2 said they predicted a sale of $625k, 2 said $650k and 1 said $615k. We hired one of the Realtors that predicted $650k. We ended up selling at $550k, but the worst part about that is it took 7 months for us to listen to the market...while the HML 12% interest was running the entire time.

Lesson: Value is based on what someone will pay, regardless of how much you feel it's worth. Drop the price aggressively until it sells. Time is just as important as the profit. 

-After we received the BPO's for River Forest (but before sale), we were presented with another opportunity in Wilmette, IL. The same capital partner and I decided to purchase and get the next one started...like a well oiled machine. We decided to finance the purchase and a portion of the rehab with the idea of rolling the River Forest profits into the remaining rehab funds needed to keep the high percentage loan down. When River Forest sold for $550k, the holding costs and interest ate up all of the profit leaving us without the construction start up costs (HML works on reimbursement). I was able to contribute $10k and my partner put up $5k (initially) to get the project started. Needless to say, the rehab took forever @ $15k at a time on a $250k project. Instead of being able to send full crews in there, only one trade could work at a time. When they finished, everything stopped for inspections and draw requests. Each time we stopped, it was 1-2 weeks before we received the draw and could continue. We added more money throughout to cut down on draw requests but we limped through that project from beginning to end. The property took approximately 15 months to complete. We initially planned to be in and out in 6-7 months.

Lesson 1: Do not count your wins until the property has closed.

Lesson 2: When a seller includes unapproved plans, that is a huge red flag to dig deep into why they aren't doing the project themselves.

-For anyone reading that is looking for closure, Wilmette was purchased for $525k, rehab was approx $250k and we sold @ $875k...despite having a $950k appraisal. Again, costs of the project ate all of the profits. Money lost aside, that was 2+ years of expected income gone and created a big hole I had to get out of.

Lesson 1: While they look official, appraisals are just one person's opinion.

Lesson 2: As soon as we realized that we didn't have the sufficient funds to get through the rehab properly, we should have sold the project.

Notable project mistake made:

-I JV'd with two inexperienced investors (2 males). One of their wives wanted input on finishes. We had nothing in the agreement that allowed me to prevent this. At the end of the project, the investor wanted to purchase the property with his wife at a significant discount. The relationship soured when I refused. The property was in North Center in Chicago.

Lesson 1: If you're going to JV, there should be one person in charge. It's extremely difficult to rehab by committee.

Lesson 2: I now structure my agreements with investors so that I get paid for work performed rather than an equity stake. This gives the investor complete control over the project and control over the exit strategy as well. At that point they can keep it for themselves, keep it as a rental or move into it if they prefer.

While I don't necessarily like putting my dirty laundry in the street, my hope is that someone reading this can avoid my mistakes.

Post: Long Distance investing. Recommendations for assembling a team.

Mike B.Posted
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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349

For out of state/country investing for holds, I'd recommend finding your property management company first. Construction contacts second (if the strategy is value add) and the Realtor third.

Property management: If you can't find one you're comfortable with, there's no point in wasting everyone else's time. They are the single biggest factor of failed rentals from afar (in my experience) so it all starts there. They will absolutely make or break your investment.

Construction: This takes time to find. There's a lot of snakes in the field. Get references and walk a couple of their projects. Pay attention to how many people are onsite working. Wait 4 weeks and go back to the same projects to see how much work was performed during that time. You should be doing this with 3-4 construction contacts to see who performs the best. Ask them how much the rehabs your viewing cost, then break the number down to price per sq ft to help you analyze the deals you're interested in purchasing. Don't take that number as absolute, they will still need to walk the property to make it firm, but it will certainly help you make realistic offers from out of state. Remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Realtor: While they're extremely important in the process, you can't make offers without knowing your construction costs, again, assuming there's a value add play.

While you can certainly find people to fill these roles over the internet, it is very important that you go there and perform your due diligence in person. It's possible to find your boots on the ground through the property management company. They have an interest in the property being delivered quickly and to the standards in which they'll be able to rent it. If you vet correctly, all the other contacts you need will come from these three.

Feel free to message me if you have any questions, I've done this in three markets.

Post: Chicago West Suburban Real Estate Investors

Mike B.Posted
  • Developer
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349

@John Warren is pacific time an error?

Post: How long do your single family flips generally take?

Mike B.Posted
  • Developer
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
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As everyone said above, there are a lot of variables. Generally speaking, I'm trying to keep my rehabs cosmetic these days ($30k in 30 days). I've done several gut rehab projects and they typically go 9-12mo. There's only about 6 mo worth of work but the permitting process in Chicago stretches out the timeline.

Post: Broker Needed in Fort Myers

Mike B.Posted
  • Developer
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349

Hi All, I'm hoping to find a RE Broker that can provide a good flip property in Fort Myers. In a perfect world, this person would send realistic comps and a realistic ballpark budget for rehab.
If anyone has anything interesting to look at and has the time to send more than a generic outline of a property, please message me.

Also, all in max @ $400k for the first one. C class neighborhoods or better

Post: Permit expired, contractor walked away, what next?

Mike B.Posted
  • Developer
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
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It can certainly affect the sale process if you don't close out the permit but it's a pretty easy problem to address. The bigger problem that you want to get in front of is properly vetting your workers so this isn't a continuous problem.

Post: Paying contractors upfront

Mike B.Posted
  • Developer
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 428
  • Votes 349

Lenders don't give money upfront for a reason. They work strictly through reimbursements and that's exactly how everyone else should operate as well. If your business isn't strong enough to have a credit line to get you through the first part of the project, then we're not a good fit. You will pay a bit of a premium for these companies but you won't have to worry about anyone walking off with your money nor will you have to pay for the same job 2-3 times over.