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All Forum Posts by: Mike Lattier

Mike Lattier has started 6 posts and replied 43 times.

How about trying to work out a deal with the judgment creditor and the seller?  Perhaps the judgment creditor would agree to release the judgment lien on the property for the amount you would be willing to pay and the seller would agree to that in order to wipe out, or at least substantially reduce, the amount of the judgment against him.

Originally posted by @Jason Bott:
Originally posted by @Michael Baum:

Hi @Jason Bott, thanks for that, but I explored CBIZ and their coverage isn't anywhere near as good as Proper. 

Well then I would say you have covered the main players in the STR market.

Interesting. Dolan Jablonski indicated to me that there are a lot more choices than these for STR.

@Michael Baum thanks Michael. I’m definitely going to check out Foremost. 

@John Underwood  Thanks for the information.  That gives me some good choices.

@Jon Crosby  Thanks Jon.  I've heard of them but haven't explored yet.  Good to know.

I'm beginning to explore insurance for a VR that I will be purchasing soon in the SouthEast - mountains not beach.  It seems there may be only a couple options.  I'm curious what the VR owners here are using.  Is Proper the go to?  Any other options available?  AND, I wonder what people did 20 years ago for insurance for VRs.

Originally posted by @Matthew McNeil:
Originally posted by @Mike Lattier:

I'm interested in this topic as well. I hear pundits all over the place (including here) saying that you must "have" an LLC, including for STRs, but then the guys at BP say that no bank will lend to an LLC for first time investors AND transfering to an individually owned property to an LLC violates the due on sale clause. I would love someone to explain the apparent contradiction. And, by the way, I'm an atty. so I have some knowledge of the liability issues here.

BP members are evenly split 50-50 regarding the "Due on Sale" clause issue and most of the feedback you're going to get is opinion.  He's my opinion regarding this issue, as I've written on other posts;

The lender can exercise the "due on sale" clause if the name(s) of the buyer are not the same name(s) as the members identified as the owners of the LLC. For clarity; as with a trust, lenders do not exercise the "due on transfer/sale" clause when real property is transferred to the SAME individuals in an official capacity (e.g. Joe and Jane Smith as trustees of Smith Trust). Typically, the same applies to LLCs where you and your spouse are sole members (single or multiple member LLC).

If you take out a mortgage personally and transfer the property to your LLC that you control, you should be exempt. Also, if your loan was conventional; Fannie Mae recognizes the legitimacy of a QC between the mortgage holders and the LLC so long as the LLC is controlled by the borrowers;

If the property was owned prior to closing by a limited liability corporation (LLC) that is majority-owned or controlled by the borrower(s), the time it was held by the LLC may be counted towards meeting the borrower’s six-month ownership requirement. (In order to close the refinance transaction, ownership must be transferred out of the LLC and into the name of the individual borrower(s). See for additional details.)

I believe Freddie Mac follows suit. Here’s a BP post on the same topic; https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/49/topics/610831-oh-yeah-the-due-on-sale-clause-is-now-llc-friendly-sometimes

Regardless, you should always talk to your lender and tell them exactly what you’re planning and get their approval.

Next is to check with the Title Company regarding the Title insurance. Generally, the coverage of the policy will state; “The coverage of this policy shall continue in force as of Date of Policy in favor of an Insured after acquisition of the Title by an Insured or after conveyance by an Insured, but only so long as the Insured retains an estate or interest in the Land, or holds an obligation secured by a purchase money Mortgage given by a purchaser from the Insured, or only so long as the Insured shall have liability by reason of warranties in any transfer or conveyance of the Title.” Again, as with the question regarding the lender mentioned above, its best to ask your Title company if the insurance coverage remains intact if the asset is transferred.

Unlike you, I am not an attorney, but this is what my attorney advised who specializes in real estate law."

Very good explanation. There is one other wrinkle to consider in a vacation home situation - if the loan is obtained for a second home and not an investment, moving the home into an LLC prior to one year might violate the terms of the loan for consideration as a second home. That would not be an issue if the vacation home was purchased originally as an investment.

Originally posted by @Paul Sandhu:
Originally posted by @Mike Lattier:

There's a well-known person on this site that is currently running about 5 STRs, making a huge amount of money, and by his own admission, spends around 2-3 hours a week on it.

You speak of the Ayatollah of Rock 'n Rollah, The King of Jack 'n Cola.  He's probably hanging out with the non-institutionalized members of Metallica and keeping them out of rehab.  @Luke Carl

There's a well-known person on this site that is currently running about 5 STRs, making a huge amount of money, and by his own admission, spends around 2-3 hours a week on it.  I think it's like anything else.  There are those that are very good at streamlining the process and there are those that struggle.  Same is likely true of LTRs too.