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All Forum Posts by: Michael Wegner

Michael Wegner has started 4 posts and replied 39 times.

@April Littleton

First off, congrats!

I just went through this decision making process myself (pulled the trigger on my first property, house hacking a fourplex) and I have decided to self manage!

It is definitely a little scary but I’m so happy that I’ve decided to take the leap of faith because I know that I will learn a ton and that the experience is truly going to be invaluable. Of course we will make some mistakes along the way but we just gotta use those as lessons learned - it will pay huge dividends in the future!

You do obviously however want to make sure to avoid the huge mistakes so I would get those leases reviewed by an attorney and like many others have suggested, definitely read Brandon Turner’s book on managing rental properties. Knowing you’ve done your research and due diligence will help give you that extra little boost of confidence.

Feel free to reach out. Good Luck! 

Post: My second deal. Should I do it?

Michael WegnerPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 14

@Alejandro Arreola

It sounds great based on the numbers. I would definitely get someone who you trust who has a good amount of experience to go and look at the properties/units with you. There are just a lot of moving parts (residential/commercial mixed use) within the deal and with this whole virus thing going on I would definitely plan on a longer time to rehab and get the units rented. I’m guessing very few people are looking to move right now or even in the next 3-6 months.

All that being said if the price is 85k and you did your due diligence as far as double checking the projected market rents after rehab I’d say jump on it... quickly

Good luck man keep us posted.

@Dave Howell Thanks a lot man, I will definitely look into him! 


Any other recommendations?? - I appreciate it! 

Hi Everyone, 

I am looking for a good lawyer to go over some landlording basics with.

I am finally jumping in the pool and will be self-managing a 4plex while living in it starting in June. I got the majority of my documents from Brandon Turner's How to Manage Rental Properties book but thought it would be a good idea to make sure I am crossing my T's and dotting my I's (don't want to miss any caveats that are specific to Missouri Laws). 

Please let me know! I would prefer someone who specializes in REI law but also personally invests in real estate if possible! Thanks a ton in advance for the help!

- Mike 

Post: Saved up $20k to house hack. Now coronavirus... what do I do?

Michael WegnerPosted
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 14

@Blake McFarlane

You’re in a great spot man. Like others have said - continue saving for another 6months/year or so and I think you’ll have your pick of places here shortly due to foreclosures, you should be able to swoop one up at a great price. Even with the virus craziness I really don’t see you getting a loan being that big of a challenge, assuming the other boxes are checked (reserves, income, credit, etc)

I just bought a 4plex house hack in The Gate area, it was a really really good deal before the crash and I’d say now it’s just a really good deal. PM if you wanna grab coffee sometime. I’m a noobie too but I definitely am open to helping you out / offering any advice that I can.

@Steven Griff I am not an expert by any means so take this advice with a grain of salt. I also do not know the area so it is really tough to make a fully informed decision. 

First, do you think the other side is currently renting at below, fair, or above what you think it should rent for based on the area and other comparable units? I would look on zillow/apartments.com, etc. to see what other comparable units are renting for in the area and also ask a landlord or two and maybe a realtor or two what they think both sides would rent for now and what they might rent for fixed up. 

Secondly, I personally would rather take a 3.5% or 5% downpayment on FHA loan if you can still get one right now vs. putting all that cash down and depleting your reserves in a very volatile market. The PMI can't be that much on a property that is only gonna sell for 95k. IMO you are way better off going with a low downpayment and saving that extra cash for necessary repairs and reserves. Obviously, completely your call.. that is just my opinion.

Third, I would look into the area of this duplex as far as future appreciation, as I am sure you have read: you should never bank on appreciation but since you mentioned your goal is to do long term buy and hold with this property, being in the path of progress or an area that seems to be up and coming would sweeten this deal for me if I was the one buying. 

Lastly, I would take all the info you need to gather and plug that into the bigger pockets calculator and then run a worst case scenario, a likely scenario and a best case scenario on it. Hope this helps! 

@Michael Ablan Nice! Thanks for the advice man! Appreciate the help. 

Originally posted by @George Skidis:

Should you allow pets?

Here is a list of things to do before approving new pet friendly residents or letting them move in.

Get a list of pet species and breeds NOT permitted by your insurance company. Get it in writing and get it on their letterhead.

Make sure the species and breed of pet owned by your applicant are permitted by your insurance carrier before signing the lease or letting them move in. 

Require your pet owning applicants to obtain renters insurance with a minimum of $500,000 of liability coverage. Do this before you give them the keys. You want to be listed on their policy as an additional interest in order to be notified if their policy lapses for non payment or gets cancelled altogether. You do not want to be an additional insured.

Establish a "WRITTEN PET POLICY". Run it by your attorney before letting anyone sign it.

Not all pets are dogs and cats. There are fish, rats, snakes, tarantulas and more. Each and everyone of which is available in a pet shop. Have you ever smelled a ferret infested home? To quote Dorothy, "Lions and Tigers and Bears oh my", have been owned as pets at one time or another. One of my residents snuck in a pygmy goat. We considered roasting him on a spit when they left it behind after their eviction. 

Just because someone has a pet cat does not mean a bobcat is an acceptable house guest in your rentals. One tenant I read about kept a pet alligator under the sink, until it ate its way out. Let the applicant know which animals your insurance company prohibits by handing them a copy of the letter from your insurance company. Make sure you specify that the insurance company refused to allow those breeds and not you.

Cap the number of pets permitted in your property at two. If you don't you may end up finding the body of a crazy old cat lady with 50 cats in one of your units.

All pets need to be spayed and neutered to prevent a house full of puppys/kittens that they finds to cute to give away. 

Request applicants provide a letter from their Veterinarian. Get it on letterhead that includes the following items at a minimum:  proof of spay/neuter, sex, breed, shots, vaccinations, county of registration, age, height, weight and color

Proof of annual pet license. Many counties require registration and tagging of pets. If it is required in your county get the annual records sent to you as well. Ask the vet to include you on their reminder to get shots list but keep track of it yourself as well.

Establish inspection schedules. Primarily to look at maintenance and housekeeping. The other thing here is look for and collect all pet damage assessments.

Do not confuse "Service Animals" with pets. They are a whole "nother passel" of headaches. Go to some fair housing classes before you allow pets so you don't get sued for a violation of someone's rights.

Check with all existing tenants to determine if they have allergies to dogs, cats, anacondas or whatever. If your multi-family is an allergen free sanctuary, that opens up another whole market of residents for you. Smoke free / Pet Free is a great advertising sign.

Your "Pet Move in Fee" is a non refundable payment. You notice I said fee and did not use the word deposit. Deposits are inherently refundable. This is an up front cleaning fee. It can be $150 or more at your discretion.

Charge a pet rental fee. $25.00 minimum plus $1.00 per month per pound adult weight over 20 pounds is not unheard of. You do not want horses after all.

Code Words: "My dog is a Lab Mix". This can mean Rottweiler or Doberman depending on who you talk to. Find out the code words in your area.

Good Luck and Good Investing!

Thanks George! I appreciate the thorough reply and got a lot of little gems out of that! I see you are pretty close to me - I'd love to buy you coffee/lunch sometime (I will drive to you) to pick your brain a little more on Pets and everything else! May shoot you a PM. Thanks again for the help and advice, I really appreciate it! 

@Michael King ya be safe man and sounds good! 

@Chuck Rogers

Wow that is an insane average length of stay, nice! Are these mostly tenants in single family homes I assume? Why do you not charge the pet rent? Do you find that gives you an even greater pool of tenants to choose the best ones from?