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All Forum Posts by: Michael Thach

Michael Thach has started 5 posts and replied 143 times.

Quote from @Melanie P.:
Quote from @Michael Thach:
Quote from @Melanie P.:
Quote from @Michael Thach:
Quote from @LeeAnn Owens:

Do you live near your investment properties? I'm pro-multi family for a few reasons. My multi family is 6 hours away from where I live, and I would have no idea what was going on there if it was an SFR, but I have 3 families there who will all tell me if something is going on. When (good) tenants share a space with other families/renters they are more likely to keep up on exterior maintenance (which is the tenants responsibility per my lease). I can also have 2/3 units empty and still cover most of the mortgage.

I think that for you investing in a multifamily would be a great idea, but you should maintain the diversity in your portfolio. Pull equity out of a few properties if you can, buy a 3-4 family to get your feet wet rather than jumping right into a 9-unit. 


My backround, started with SFH and duplexes. Still own 11 of this and start to buy commercial multifamily properties to do MTRs. Got about 15 and manage another 10-12.

Understand the following. Commercial real estate are not based on comps, but on Net Operating Income and Caprate. If you buy your property with 1.7m and the net operating income is 120k / year and you can double it to 240k / year , you would also double the 1.7m to 3.4m. This is when you bought it for a reasonable CAP Rate and sell it for a reasonable cap rate. I am speaking of 5.5% Cap to 6.5% Cap rate range.

My honest opinion.... SHF is a slow appreciation game based on economy, location, timing... commercial multifamily with MTR and STR is forced appreciation game within 1 year. The appreciation will be what you put in. Commercial multifamily for value add investor is a fair game, you get paid what you put in. You might need few months to convert those long-term rentals into MTR and STR, then you operate those 12 months, to collect a T12 ( trailing 12 month ) for the next investor and you will sell a cashflow turnkey ready product to the next investor.

This is not true for lower-priced commercial properties. The cap rates are all over the place on properties that trade under $5 million. And there is no guarantee that if you buy a small commercial or small multifamily at a 6% cap rate that you'll get a 6% cap rate on sale. ESPECIALLY when you just bought a  year prior for half of what you're seeking now. I see small commercial in the same city that trade between 5% and 18% cap rates because net income isn't the only factor for small investments where the owner may do a portion of the work to operate the property and the buyer will use employees. Every buyer evaluates these properties differently. 

I did it before. So you say that in your city if I buy a multi-family for a 6% Cap and I double the NOI in a T12 I have to trade it for a 18% Cap ? Which City does that ? Show me 1 real life example.

There are less drastic trade rates example from a high end multifamily with a 5% cap converted into a hotel and then trade with 8%-10% cap, but this is not what I am doing. I am not changing it into an hospitality project. 


 You, "did it before?" Cool story , bro. Share details with me please and prove me wrong. You can do so privately and I'll come back here and apologize. I cannot tell you about transactions that have not occurred and will not occur because they exist only in your fantasies. 

First your claim was your background is SFH and you were "start to buy commercial multifamily,,,:" Now you've had a 100% exit in a year but forgot that when you were making up your first story in the thread. You also seemed confused about how many units you own and how many you manage. Other than wasting the time of actual investors what does coming here and making up lies do for you? Kill time? Why not learn the material here and do something with it? Study instead of acting the clown. Let's see a couple years ago you were "room hacking" and have never worked for anyone else in your life because you're a "businessperson." LOL! It's like you read a lot of marketing for syndicators and then spout it as your own story.

Since you've made it clear you don't understand what a cap rate is and so this can be both humiliating and educational I will explain. Cap Rate is the expression of what a property's closing price was in relation to its NOI. Unlike a 300 unit apartment complex the NOI of smaller commercial can and will vary significantly from year to year. You can double NOI just by reaching full occupancy sometimes that doesn't mean that you can now sell for double. Commercial buyers ABSOLUTELY use market comparables - comparable rents, neighborhood comps, sales comps. When you buy a commercial property you know what it's cap rate was at the time of that sale only. When the next sale happens you take the NOI from the prior year and divide it by the sales price and that is the new cap rate.

PLEASE stop wasting our time here with this nonsense. You can't feel good spending your free time as a liar. Grow up.


 Message sent of the property with the numbers. 

Wow, Seller paying full downpay is new to me. Usually is only 3% of purchase price which can be gifted or claimed as sellers contribution. Can you share how you, the lender and the seller discussed about the downpay coming from the seller ?

But congrats regardless, it's a real present. I would take deals like this everyday.

Post: Should I stay or should I go now?

Michael ThachPosted
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  • Votes 93
Quote from @April VanCleve:

I work in a controversial job... the dilemma is - it's not in real estate. 

Pros to my current position: Secure, w2, pay is above average, benefits are stellar, schedule is somewhat flexible (can leave if I need to without penalty; vacation when I want - utilizing banked time on both), 3 miles from home, and hopefully a pension in 17 years. 

Cons: Not a happy industry - everyone has a story or opinion and they're usually negative. It's not my 'best life' job. 

I've wanted to get into real estate for a long time but typically moving into that realm in a w2 position means a decent pay cut and probable loss of all the other good stuff. This is counter-intuitive to my goal - slow and steady save to purchase our first investment property (with more to follow). 

I ask you - is it worth it to make the move, take the cut, leave the boat and jump into the sea with just a floatie in order to get more experience in the field and chase a dream? I know I'm the only one that can answer that, but what's your opinion? 


 As you said, " Only you can answer that ". I am a businessperson and never worked one day in my life for someone else. For me real estate gives me the freedom I need. I can choose my projects and fields I want to discover. I can choose to add a long-term rental, fix a property and flip it for quick cash, buy a multifamily add value and convert to MTR to save taxes on flips, I can help family and friends and build them the same. I can share knowledge and help people around me, which is very fulfilling.

I know that real estate is a big word because it's a whole industry. There is of course the agents, the brokers, the mortgage and lending side, the title companies but also the whole construction side would be part of real estate. Then there is a difference between residential and commercial. So if you say you want to go into real estate, I am very sure you will find something that you like. 

Of course investing is a big part of real estate and most likely the scariest part. The funny thing about real estate is, that it starts very difficult and very challenging from the beginning but it get so easy over time. You seems to be on a conservative side, which is good, it means your project will be calculated and less likely to fail but being conservative means also missing out on opportunities based on being to hesitant. 

So no matter how you want to enter the real estate field, just do it. It all leads to investment and growing wealth. I see contractors, mortgage loan officers, title office workers, brokers, inspectors, appraisers and so many more most of the time investing into real estate themself. 

The importance is to make a step towards the life you want, then you are a step already closer. As long as you keep going, you will get there. At the end the beautiful thing is not the destination but the journey. If you think you can, you can... if you think you can't, you can't. 

Quote from @Melanie P.:
Quote from @Michael Thach:
Quote from @LeeAnn Owens:

Do you live near your investment properties? I'm pro-multi family for a few reasons. My multi family is 6 hours away from where I live, and I would have no idea what was going on there if it was an SFR, but I have 3 families there who will all tell me if something is going on. When (good) tenants share a space with other families/renters they are more likely to keep up on exterior maintenance (which is the tenants responsibility per my lease). I can also have 2/3 units empty and still cover most of the mortgage.

I think that for you investing in a multifamily would be a great idea, but you should maintain the diversity in your portfolio. Pull equity out of a few properties if you can, buy a 3-4 family to get your feet wet rather than jumping right into a 9-unit. 


My backround, started with SFH and duplexes. Still own 11 of this and start to buy commercial multifamily properties to do MTRs. Got about 15 and manage another 10-12.

Understand the following. Commercial real estate are not based on comps, but on Net Operating Income and Caprate. If you buy your property with 1.7m and the net operating income is 120k / year and you can double it to 240k / year , you would also double the 1.7m to 3.4m. This is when you bought it for a reasonable CAP Rate and sell it for a reasonable cap rate. I am speaking of 5.5% Cap to 6.5% Cap rate range.

My honest opinion.... SHF is a slow appreciation game based on economy, location, timing... commercial multifamily with MTR and STR is forced appreciation game within 1 year. The appreciation will be what you put in. Commercial multifamily for value add investor is a fair game, you get paid what you put in. You might need few months to convert those long-term rentals into MTR and STR, then you operate those 12 months, to collect a T12 ( trailing 12 month ) for the next investor and you will sell a cashflow turnkey ready product to the next investor.

This is not true for lower-priced commercial properties. The cap rates are all over the place on properties that trade under $5 million. And there is no guarantee that if you buy a small commercial or small multifamily at a 6% cap rate that you'll get a 6% cap rate on sale. ESPECIALLY when you just bought a  year prior for half of what you're seeking now. I see small commercial in the same city that trade between 5% and 18% cap rates because net income isn't the only factor for small investments where the owner may do a portion of the work to operate the property and the buyer will use employees. Every buyer evaluates these properties differently. 

I did it before. So you say that in your city if I buy a multi-family for a 6% Cap and I double the NOI in a T12 I have to trade it for a 18% Cap ? Which City does that ? Show me 1 real life example.

There are less drastic trade rates example from a high end multifamily with a 5% cap converted into a hotel and then trade with 8%-10% cap, but this is not what I am doing. I am not changing it into an hospitality project. 

Quote from @Justin Goodin:
Quote from @Michael Thach:

I think if you ask this 38 questions, you will never start doing real estate. Maybe I am just lucky or very naive. Of course some of the questions need to be asked... but this 38 questions is an overkill. 

People asking this 38 questions and would decline a deal because 1-2 questions are not positive. I recommend a savings account with 0.5% interest. 


 These questions are not about 'getting started in real estate.' They are worthwhile questions to ask a sponsor before passively investing in a syndication. I hope that helps clarify.


 Yeah, that is actually true. Good questions for passive investor in syndications. Quite thought out. But still shouldn't be all positive to invest. 

Quote from @Blake Dailey:

So excited to announce to the community that as of last month, I acquired my largest deal to date which is a 130-Unit Hotel and Resort in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee! I'll include all details below.

THE LOCATION: The hotel is conveniently located in the breathtaking Smoky Mountains, just minutes away from the Great Smoky Mountain NP entrance. And it doesn’t end in closing the deal; it's the beginning of an extraordinary transformation to come with a full renovation and redesign!

THE VISION: With 130 units and 8 buildings plus a wedding and event venue, our vision includes revamping this space into a dream hotel. Picture this: 3 pools and hot tubs, a dynamic game room, a versatile venue, pickle-ball courts, outdoor theater, mini-golf, and more. We are going to create a vibrant experience for our Guests!

THE NUMBERS: With a purchase price of $7M, my Investors and I put down $2.7M as the down payment on the property. With our vision mentioned above, we're allocating a whopping $3M into the complete renovation, re-brand and makeover of the hotel.

THE INVESTOR: For those of you who don't know me, I'm Blake Dailey and this is my 6th Boutique Hotel investment! My first purchase was back in 2021 with a small little 8-unit Boutique Hotel in Florida. Since then, I've documented the process as a Boutique Hotel investor and have a deep commitment to sharing my knowledge around Boutique Hotel Investing with others who are looking for a path to financial freedom, and Boutique Hotels is the best path to get there in my personal opinion. Let's connect!


 Wow this is very inspirational. Can you share how the deal is structured, how you got the investors on board and a more about the financials ? This is for sure an interesting journey. 

I think if you ask this 38 questions, you will never start doing real estate. Maybe I am just lucky or very naive. Of course some of the questions need to be asked... but this 38 questions is an overkill. 

People asking this 38 questions and would decline a deal because 1-2 questions are not positive. I recommend a savings account with 0.5% interest. 

Post: REI in Local or Distant Markets

Michael ThachPosted
  • Posts 144
  • Votes 93

If you decide to do out of state investments, be sure you got a good realtor and a better property manager. Screening of tenants is one of the most important thing. Your investment depends on that one tenant and how well the property manager screened them. In my first properties I looked over the tenants application to make sure, those are people I want. 

Even locally, I would always advice to have a property manager. Don't save on the 8-12% management fee, the trouble and the problems you create are usually bigger. If your property needs repairs and you call someone, you usually end up paying more, than using the one from your property management fee. If your property manager is seasoned, they usually have the best tradespeople to do the work. 

To make it work buy one of the tenants out if they are not month to month. We had the same issue on a multifamily which we converted into MTRs. We paid each tenant 4k to move out, so we can renovate and start doing bigger money. Just let them sign an amendment to vacate the property early. 

Quote from @Sean Ahn:

Hello all, 

As a newbie in real estate, I wanted to get some of your opinion on the situation I'm in. I bought a condo in NJ for 220k around 4 years ago and have been living in it. Unfortunately my wife's job started requiring her to come into the office in PA so we plan on relocating there. We do have a decent amount of equity on the home about 150k (current estimated value is ~315k) but since the mortgage is 15 years (which I thought was smart & would save me interest over time...) if I were to charge market rent I would break even or possibly lose a little and get no cash flow. I do know there's tax benefits and tenants paying the mortgage off for you. However the HOA is very high ~$500 and it scares me to think about possible vacancy & the whole process of renting a home out. Any opinion / advice to help me make a decision would be much appreciated, thank you!


 Agree with everyone who said SELL. No capital gain tax on the 115k, and appreciation is not amazing in your case. You can make more with the 115k invested elsewhere than being breakeven and wait for appreciation. 115k invested into real estate flips make you around 25-30% a year. Invested into MTR will make you around 8%-10% cashflow , while benefiting from appreciation, capital improvement, depreciation and amortization. Invested into commercial multifamily projects, you can double within 3 years. No reason to keep that lazy money in that property.