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All Forum Posts by: Michael Oliver

Michael Oliver has started 15 posts and replied 38 times.

Post: Looking for JV for Section 8 Off Market

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13

Hey all!

I have accumulated a couple amazing section 8 rentals, and as my portfolio has grown, my access to better deals has grown. Looking for a partner who would be interested in scaling with me. My funds are tied up in the current deals. I have, unfortunately.

If you’re interested in a partnership please let me know. We can discuss more.

Post: Lending options for 77k off market SFH

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Stacy Raskin:

@Michael Oliver, some DSCR lenders will go down to a $75K value and a $50K loan amount. It's the same work to do a $50K loan as a $500K loan so the fees will be higher due to the loan amount but will still be much lower than what a lender or broker gets paid on a higher loan amount.

DSCR loans won't use your income to underwrite the loan. More info on DSCR loans in case helpful.

DSCR loans are based off of down payment, credit score and either actual or market rents so it helps to supercharge an investor's real estate goals and net worth.

Here's a bit more in detail about how rates are calculated for DSCR loans:

1. Credit score- the higher the best. 760+ generally gets best pricing for investment property loans with most lenders

2. Loan to value ratio: The higher the loan to value ratio (LTV) is, pricing takes a hit. So your pricing will be higher for a 80% LTV loan than for a 60% LTV loan.

3. Prepayment penalties- usually 1-5 year terms. The shorter the prepayment term has an impact on increasing the rate.

4. Are you cash flowing the property? More on how that is calculated below. Is your DSCR ratio greater than 1-meaning are you cash flowing (according to the lender's criteria of mortgage, property taxes and insurance (and HOA) if applicable). Many lenders will not do a DSCR loan unless cash flowing. If they will do a loan with less than 1, the pricing takes a hit. This criteria is for 1-4 and 5-8 unit programs.

I've included an example below to help illustrate this.

So different lenders have different rates (which do vary even for DSCR loans) but these are factors they all consider.

See example below:

DSCR < 1

Principal + Interest = $1,700

Taxes = $350, Insurance = $100, Association Dues = $50

Total PITIA = $2200

Rent = $2000

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2000/2200 = 0.91

Since the DSCR is 0.91, we know the expenses are greater than the income of the property.

DSCR >1

Principal + Interest = $1,500

Taxes = $250, Insurance = $100, Association Dues = $25

Total PITIA = $1875 Rent = $2300

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2300/1875 = 1.23

DSCR lenders generally let you vest either individually or as an LLC. It's a great way to increase your net worth and these loans can also be used to pull cash out of a property as it appreciates allowing you to reinvest money into new deals.

Happy to connect to discuss further. 


 Thanks for illustrating this! Unfortunately I don’t have 20 percent down at the moment. Ands it’s also an off market cash deal. 

Post: Lending options for 77k off market SFH

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13

Quote from @Ko Kashiwagi:

Hi Michael,

What kind of financing are you looking for - are you looking for a rental loan or a rehab loan? And yes, many lenders can't do loan amounts at those price range, but there are still options out there. I'm happy to help.


 thanks for your response! I’m looking for a rental loan. Basically a mortgage. 

Post: Lending options for 77k off market SFH

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13

Hey, all!,

Thanks for taking the time to read my post. I have a few different deals but I have found an off market property that I am interested in. The asking price is 77K and a couple different lenders that I have worked with in the past will not lend that loan.

Looking for lending options. High liquid cash is fairly low as I am just finishing up a rehab.

Thanks for your time!

Post: Private lending for Section 8

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Nate Herndon:

@Michael Oliver Many national private lenders would be able to assist with the purchase of the residential property and fund 100% of the rehab as well - and some down to $50k total loan amount (purchase + rehab). The vacant lots would have to be funded out of pocket with those lenders, though. A private individual may be able to assist with financing the residential + vacant lots + rehab.


 Interesting! Thank you! I was thinking private would be the best option. Is that something you do?

Post: Private lending for Section 8

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13

Hello all. I have a unique opportunity I have come across with a purchase price of 50k including 2 vacant land lots. 

I’m thinking private investor to purchase the property and fund the 20k ish rehab. Is this a thing? 

Post: Looking for private investor for section 8.

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13

I have a fairly unique opportunity I am working on. Seeking an investor who is willing to talk and discuss a strategy that works for both parties. Opportunity comes with two empty land lots. Feel free to message me here. 

Update: sorry kinda new to posting here. Seeking between 50-75k

Also don’t know how to change offering to looking for. 😂 sorry all! 

Post: Section 8 and Multi Family

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Evan Polaski:

@Michael Oliver, as others noted, the jurisdiction running the program can make it either worthwhile or a major pain.

It has been years since I had my last Section 8 tenant, but when I first started investing it was all I did for my SFRs.  Cincinnati wasn't too bad to work with, but certainly slows things down on the front end, and creates recurring work that isn't present on market rate tenants.

Not sure what advice you are looking for.

Things to think about: I would plan on likely a 30-60 day delay in getting your first month's rent check from Section 8.  Cincinnati would only process payments twice per month, and often times they would have lost my payment form with canceled check, or at time it had to be mailed in so took longer than expected, etc. I always got paid, but took some time on front end.  This only impacted the CMHA portion, and didn't keep me from collecting rent from tenant.

Annual reinspections are a PITA.  This is the biggest impact I encountered.  Each year the inspector would go through and inspect house.  I would then get a list of repairs I had to make at my cost, which were clearly tenant issues.  I.e. I had no cracked outlet covers upon initial inspection (if I did, Section 8 wouldn't approve the lease).  At the anniversary, they inspect comes in and finds 5 cracked outlet covers.  Clearly, I (the landlord) did not crack them, the tenant did.  But this was a "LL Responsibility" repair.  This is a small example, but it adds up.  I got hit with partial repaints because tenant had posters that got pulled down and cracked paint (no chipping paint allowed). All told, I would consistently have 1k-3k of repairs each year.  If it was market rate, these may have happened, but I don't have to fix tenant issues every year, and I can bill tenant on move out for major items.

Second inconvenience: my section 8 tenants always paid their portion with cash or money order.  This was frustrating, because it made me go to the bank.  Versus my market tenants that either paid electronically or with a standard check that mobile deposit recognizes.  Not end of world, but not ideal

Lastly, meet your tenants and do a full screening as you would any tenant.  I self manage, so I would meet the potential tenant.  I would note if they showed up on time, if they were communicative if running late, what questions they asked, etc.  Basically, I would run criminal record checks, but didn't run credit checks (I, rightfully or wrong, assumed they all had bad credit).  They had to fill out applications.  I called their prior landlords (after confirming names through auditor records).  Generally, I didn't have any major tenant problems, and I believe a lot of this is due to being selective with the tenants, as I would a market rate tenant too.


 Wow! Thank you! That’s a lot of powerful impact. My main issue is turnover and annual rent raises. I don’t like to be the bad guy to have to increase rents. 

Post: Section 8 and Multi Family

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Joseph Hammel:

Where are you located. My experience has been mixed. Some extra paperwork for sure. I find it depends on the agency running it. I have a great relationship with the Salvation Army that faciltates a number of programs in NW Wisconsin. I help them house people who need it. Typically get the top end of rent for the area. They help me with existing tenants struggling and trying not to set me up with overly problematic people. 


 Thats awesome!  im currently in northern MI but looking to possibly invest in Detroit.

Post: Section 8 and Multi Family

Michael OliverPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Michigan
  • Posts 40
  • Votes 13

Anyone have a good handle on the Section 8 program?  Im looking to try and help out people in need while investing.

Looking for section 8 advice!