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All Forum Posts by: Michael Nelson

Michael Nelson has started 13 posts and replied 49 times.

Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

do you currently have any experience that can be shown ? Similar projects in the last 36 months ? 


 not in this specifically. Ive always used conventional lending 20% down 

5 years ago I did a duplex and renovated it with plan to brrrr but life changes caused me to not refinance to keep the cashflow high instead. (still have this property)

last year I bought and renovated an A frame in vermont that is being operated as a short term rental. (going well)

This would be first LTR brrrr done with hard money and refinance in 6-12 months. 

Credit score is 775 and have had LLC for 5 years with multiple credit lines for the LLC

0 DTI as well

Quote from @Robin Simon:
Quote from @Michael Nelson:

Hi,

What seems to not be mentioned often is exactly what hard money lenders want when presenting the deal to them and what that turn around time is. 


Context- Where im looking properties that are good deals move fast. So I want to be able to make offers fast to secure the best deals. previously ive always had 20% down for each deal and already pre approved. I dont want to offer and put down ernest money and then have a lender say no go. Any advice on what they expect/need is appreciated Im new on this side of things.


 Generally "hard money" would be referring to deals for flips, properties in need of renovation - are you referring to properties to purchase that are more turnkey, just needing to move fast?


 Hi Robin,

No, not looking for turn key but also not flipping. Im a long term hold guy. these would all be for Brrrr strategy. 

Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

right now its more looking like a solid 30% down providing 100% of construction upto 65% ARV . What are your average scenarios looking like ?


 My scenarios are looking like generally like this 

todays example

purchase price 175k

Rehab 30k

ARV 280k

So im landing more in the 70% ARV lending range and looking to find 10-20% down

Quote from @Stacy Raskin:

Hard money lenders vary on their underwriting guidelines but generally they are looking for:

1. Your Credit Score: 680+ or 700+ will get you better terms depending on the lender. 660 is the minimum for many lenders. Pricing generally is impacted by every 20 point increment of your middle mortgage FICO mortgage score so a 740-760 score will get a better rate than a 680-700 score.

2. Type of Market: Is it a declining market, is is suburban or is it rural? If an appraiser marks it rural, the lender may not do it or it will be a lower LTV.


3. Experience: Do you have any? Some care less about this but generally will impact how much they will lend to you. Some lenders will do up to 90% of purchase price and 100% of rehab up to 70-755% of ARV.

4. Do you have an LLC set up? Most lenders require this.

5. Most lenders will want a minimum of $100K for the property acquisition and rehab. Many lenders will charge additional rate increase if loan is under $150K. Lenders will generally not lend more for rehab than for the property itself. 

Most lenders will generally lend on 1-4 units and condos. These are generally 12-24 month interest only loans that borrowers will generally pay back by selling or flipping to long term financing like DSCR loans.

More on DSCR loans:

DSCR loans won't use your income to underwrite the loan.

DSCR loans are based off of down payment, credit score and either actual or market rents so it helps to supercharge an investor's real estate goals and net worth.

Here's a bit more in detail about how rates are calculated for DSCR loans:

1. Credit score- the higher the best. 760+ generally gets best pricing for investment property loans with most lenders

2. Loan to value ratio: The higher the loan to value ratio (LTV) is, pricing takes a hit. So your pricing will be higher for a 80% LTV loan than for a 60% LTV loan.

3. Prepayment penalties- usually 1-5 year terms. The shorter the prepayment term has an impact on increasing the rate.

4. Are you cash flowing the property? More on how that is calculated below. Is your DSCR ratio greater than 1-meaning are you cash flowing (according to the lender's criteria of mortgage, property taxes and insurance (and HOA) if applicable). Many lenders will not do a DSCR loan unless cash flowing. If they will do a loan with less than 1, the pricing takes a hit. This criteria is for 1-4 and 5-8 unit programs.

I've included an example below to help illustrate this.

So different lenders have different rates (which do vary even for DSCR loans) but these are factors they all consider.

See example below:

DSCR < 1

Principal + Interest = $1,700

Taxes = $350, Insurance = $100, Association Dues = $50

Total PITIA = $2200

Rent = $2000

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2000/2200 = 0.91

Since the DSCR is 0.91, we know the expenses are greater than the income of the property.

DSCR >1

Principal + Interest = $1,500

Taxes = $250, Insurance = $100, Association Dues = $25

Total PITIA = $1875 Rent = $2300

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2300/1875 = 1.23

DSCR lenders generally let you vest either individually or as an LLC. It's a great way to increase your net worth and these loans can also be used to pull cash out of a property as it appreciates allowing you to reinvest money into new deals.


 Stacy, Thank you so much for taking the time for that detailed response that clarifies things quite a bit for me. I will definitely be in touch as i proceed in this process.

Hi,

What seems to not be mentioned often is exactly what hard money lenders want when presenting the deal to them and what that turn around time is. 


Context- Where im looking properties that are good deals move fast. So I want to be able to make offers fast to secure the best deals. previously ive always had 20% down for each deal and already pre approved. I dont want to offer and put down ernest money and then have a lender say no go. Any advice on what they expect/need is appreciated Im new on this side of things.

Hi, 

What seems to not be mentioned often is exactly what hard money lenders want when presenting the deal to them and what that turn around time is. 


Context- Where im looking properties that are good deals move fast. So I want to be able to make offers fast to secure the best deals. previously ive had 20% down for each deal and already pre approved. I dont want to offer and put down ernest money and themn have a lender say no go. Any advice on what they expect/need is appreciated Im new on this side of things.

Thank you all for your quick response. I have saved your info and will contact you soon. The new roof is going on in about a month. Which I want to do before the cash out refinance.

Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

yes there are definitely options out there offering upto 80% cashout as long as the rent covers the mortgage even or better . What are the rents looking like ? 


 Rents are currently under market one by a bit and the other by a decent amount 

1 unit is 1600 the other is 1850. Market rent for each is 1950-2100 (the 1600 tenant was there when I bought it and super low rent but great tenants so i made a plan with them to raise it to market over the next three years as the jump would be way to much all at once). mortgage currently with insurance and taxes escrowed is 2100.

I have a really low rate which makes this decision hard but the equity would help me fund the next 2-3 deals and enable me to start scaling faster

Quote from @Timothy Hero:

I know of one lender, assuming you're seeking DSCR.


Im open to either DSCR or conventional Timothy really depends on the terms. I know DSCR is generally higher.

Quote from @Devin Peterson:
Quote from @Michael Nelson:

I have a few deals coming down the pipeline and want to free up as much capital as possible.

senario 

property appraised value 430,000

amount still owed 220,000


 Hi Michael, You have so many options in this scenario, especially locally in CT.


 Hi Devin, Thanks for the quick response what is the difference in How many more points and what rate % higher are you seeing on 80/20 vs 75/25 here in CT.