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All Forum Posts by: Michael Mahung

Michael Mahung has started 5 posts and replied 27 times.

Quote from @Luther Wilson III:

Bro, if you have the means to get into and maintain a quadplex for 3.5% down and the bank approves you and the property - go for it!  Sounds like you're wanting to do a house hack of sorts, is that correct?  If you're living in one unit and renting out the others then I think you'll be fine.  It'll be important to treat it like a true investment or a business - not a flip - if you hold on for the long term (5 - 10 years), utilize a sizeable amount of proceeds each month/yr to put back into the property, raise the rents periodically - you'll probably win.  Knowing the #'s is cool but rarely will they turn out the way you got 'em down on paper.  Whatever you come up with - cushion it even more, lol.


Thank you! I am planning to house hack and live in either the garden unit or one of the 1bd 1ba units. I was planning to renovate unit by unit as each tenant moves out and eventually cash out refinance to purchase my next property and scale. Kind of a house hack BRRRR
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Michael Mahung

Management and capex are extremely low in my opinion. You need to list all equipment and major work (roof/windows), out a cost to it, figure out it’s life cycle and determine a number

Also depending on location will you service hvac and other equipment or use a company? That is usually around $500/yr if you have a summer and winter as an example of additional costs.


Thanks for this, this would be my first investment property so I appreciate your perspective. I'm assuming the best way to get an estimate for each item to be repaired/replaced would be to get a scope of work from the inspector then shop around for quotes?
Hoping to get feedback on a 4-unit house hack deal I'm considering.
It's an Estate Sale so there is limited info about the property.

List price: $339,900
Financing: 3.5% down at 6% (est)
Debt Service & Closing Costs: $22,100 (est)

Est PITI: $2570.75/mo
Est Utilities (owner pays heat): $500
Repairs: $100
Vacancy (10%): $325
Lawn/Snow Removal: $100
Trash/Water/Sewer: $150
Management/Capex (10%): $325

Total Expenses: $4,070.75/mo

2ba 1ba: (owner occupied) ~$1050 arv
1bd 1ba: $800  ~$900 arv
1ba 1ba: $775  ~$900 arv
3bd 1ba: $1450 ~$1650 arv
Garage Parking: $50
Coin Operated Laundry: $10

Total Income: $3,085/mo
Estimated ARV Income: $4500/mo

Monthly P/L:
-$985.75
Estimated ARV P/L: $429.25

Other expenses:
Renovating units (kitchens, bathrooms)
Upgrading electricity 100w to 200w for 4 units.
Replacing Original Windows (approx 40)
Unknown Age of Roof (rubber) & Heater
Tuck Pointing ~5-10k


Any feedback about the numbers or the deal itself would be greatly appreciated - does this seem like a good deal?

I just met a couple who is doing exactly what you mentioned. It sounds like it's been working well for them so far, but I would caution you against buying a property that isn't a good deal as a strict long term rental.

From what I understand, Chicago is beginning to limit the amount of AirBnbs in a specific area, and AirBnb laws are continuously changing.

Would love to hear opinions from somebody with more experience in this area, just my two cents.

Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Michael Mahung:
Quote from @JD Martin:

If you had no vested interest in the property and were posting it for your own use I would think they'd have some kind of claim against you. If you are filming a duly listed property for a client, you have a reasonable interest in the property (they're trying to sell - you're trying to buy). 

Why would you be posting the video online? 


Interesting - A few reasons I was thinking for posting the video online:

Historical Context - Neighborhoods can change rapidly, being able to document the "before & after" of certain areas, blocks or individual properties can be useful for looking back at how things used to be. For instance, my childhood home in Bronzeville, Chicago was completely gut rehabbed. I would love to have a way relive my old memories in my old home before it was permanently changed.

Out of State Investors - Many investors live in HCOL areas and invest in LCOL neighborhoods. Posting videos showing new developments in certain areas and the quality of work being done can help both out of state and local investors get a feel for what's happening in different states without having to travel to see everything in person.

People Looking to Move - I have several friends who don't know that there are "nice" properties on the south side of Chicago. Having an online resource to show that people live south of the city, and showing how much further your money can stretch in different areas can help give context.

There are other reasons/thoughts for doing this, those are just three off the top of my head.

 The easy answer then is to get the property owner to sign a release for use of the video. Then you can do pretty much anything you want. I think that will be more difficult than not to get, as most people don't want their homes paraded out without good reason, but you could certainly present one or more of those reasons to them and they might be agreeable. Of course, you could always do it by stealth and just take your chances, but if some unnecessary misery were to befall any of those sellers/homes and someone could trace any of it back to you (i.e. the criminal saying "Well, I knew what was in there because I saw this video"), then you could also perhaps be successfully sued. 


Gotcha, the video being used as a tool for criminals isn't something I had put much thought into. I appreciate your perspective on this!
Quote from @JD Martin:

If you had no vested interest in the property and were posting it for your own use I would think they'd have some kind of claim against you. If you are filming a duly listed property for a client, you have a reasonable interest in the property (they're trying to sell - you're trying to buy). 

Why would you be posting the video online? 


Interesting - A few reasons I was thinking for posting the video online:

Historical Context - Neighborhoods can change rapidly, being able to document the "before & after" of certain areas, blocks or individual properties can be useful for looking back at how things used to be. For instance, my childhood home in Bronzeville, Chicago was completely gut rehabbed. I would love to have a way relive my old memories in my old home before it was permanently changed.

Out of State Investors - Many investors live in HCOL areas and invest in LCOL neighborhoods. Posting videos showing new developments in certain areas and the quality of work being done can help both out of state and local investors get a feel for what's happening in different states without having to travel to see everything in person.

People Looking to Move - I have several friends who don't know that there are "nice" properties on the south side of Chicago. Having an online resource to show that people live south of the city, and showing how much further your money can stretch in different areas can help give context.

There are other reasons/thoughts for doing this, those are just three off the top of my head.
Kind of a weird question - Does anyone know if it's legal to film and share the interior of a publicly listed property?

For instance, if a property is listed on the MLS and you walk through it and share the video with a client, that seems relatively normal.
But what if you posted that video online? Could the seller take legal action against you?

Any thoughts on occupied vs. staged vs. empty properties?

Wondering what other peoples takes would be on this.

Thanks!

Post: Recommendations for Finishing a Basement?

Michael MahungPosted
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Quote from @Brie Schmidt:
Quote from @Michael Mahung:

I am considering making an offer on a 3 flat in Chicago and plan to finish the basement.
Before I just jump in head first, I wanted to get some opinions from people with more experience than me.

What is the usual process for finishing a basement, what materials should I buy for the contractor(s)?
I've had some people tell me I don't NEED to pull permits, but I would like to get everything done right to avoid fees and issues if selling.
If I did pull permits to finish the basement (making it a legal 3-unit w/garden apartment), would there be any changes in the properties zoning?

The basement is a full-walkthrough with 8-9 foot ceilings - I'll link a couple of photos for reference.

Photo 1 - Potentially bathroom & bedroom

Photo 2 - Potentially living room & kitchen

Thanks!


If you are in an ADU zone it is much easier and faster. If you have the ceiling height you are looking at about $125-$150k to add a unit.


Got it, that's well outside of my budget for this property so taking a different approach may be the way to go here. The building seems to be outside of the ADU Zones as well

Post: Recommendations for Finishing a Basement?

Michael MahungPosted
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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

You could have a plumbing issue (Sewer) if it is below grade of main line. Have a plumber check this out, it can get expensive...


 Thanks for the heads up, I'm starting to understand more and more why there are so many "illegal" finished basements out there...

Post: Recommendations for Finishing a Basement?

Michael MahungPosted
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Tom Shallcross:

@Michael Mahung - as @John Warren mentioned you need an architect. Step one is to see if your property is in one of Chicago's ADU PIlot Areas - Chicago ADU Site. The ADU program allows you to add a unit by right instead of going through the entire zoning variation process. @Samuel Pavlovcik has reviewed and worked on these for me and can talk you through the administrative differences. 

Regardless of ADU or not, if you're doing it by the book, you'll draw up plans and submit for permits. You'll likely have to update water service as you're adding a bath, and need to account for adding an additional electric and gas meters. Besides the height requirement you referenced, you'll need to also hit the light and ventilation requirements. I'd strongly recommend drain tiling around the perimeter along with the sump pump and ejector pit. Also, make sure the general mechanical room is separated and can be accessed as a common area (so don't have to access garden unit to get to meters and mechanicals).

As for buying materials, if you don't know what is needed than you will need to work with an experienced GC and rely on him. Overtime as you have a better pulse for this project, you can look to order materials, but right now it sounds like you would just be adding another layer of variance to the equation. 


Interesting, I'll review these zones and reach out if I decide to proceed with this plan. This is the first time I've seriously considered finishing a basement - there doesn't seem to be much discussion about this process so I appreciate your perspective.