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All Forum Posts by: Michael Malmrose

Michael Malmrose has started 3 posts and replied 32 times.

Post: To Refi or NOT to Refi: That is the Question

Michael MalmrosePosted
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We own a property (on a 15-year loan) that is currently being rented

REFI:

  • $500 cash flow, have 
  • $100K to invest, 
  • pay off student loan debt ($500 a month) five years early
  • paid off in 30 years

Don't REFI: 

  • paid off in 11 years
  • $100ish cash flow for 11 more years
  • $2,500ish (or more depending on rents at that time) cash flow after 11 years are up

I like the thought of having the cash flow when I'm in my early 60s, but without it, it'll take longer to build.

Thoughts?

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Michael Malmrose I think it truly depends on how much work you want to do. 1. Fix and flip - you will be involved often and have to make sure everyone is doing their job. Can be stressful if you are still working or the market turns on residential in that area. You are dependent on the sales of other similar houses in the area. The cool thing is you could get a highly discounted house because you could buy it for cash. Maybe your the type that likes to see the fruit of your own labor which we have done before but it ALWAYS takes longer than you thought and you are not making any passive income while you sleep at that point.

2. Joint venture with someone you trust, you be the money supplier and they handle the job and you guys split the profit when the project is done which might work if your still working and you have an iron clad agreement drawn up first.

3. Use it as a downpayment for a small multifamily. We have done this and are doing a long term hold on a triplex. Not bad, we get about $1200 a mo in income. It’s pretty easy once we it got all fixed up and got higher end renters in. Less drama is good! Run it like a business and you will be much happier.

4. Scale much faster, use your money to invest in a large multifamily, leave the work to someone else and make amazing returns while you sleep. You get cashflow throughout the hold which is typically 3-5 yrs then get your money plus a large chunk of the equity upon the sale too! If the people that found the deal did the right homework they found it in an up and coming matket, added value and forced appreciation right away so it is worth a lot more in year one because commercial multifamily sales values are aligned with the income not the other buildings that sold by them. To give you an idea of what people make using this passive Investing method is typically anywhere from doubling their money to even maybe 2.5 times or more. There is a reason why wealthy people invest in large apartment complexes.

5. Take some of the funds, get educated (I recommend RE Mentor) and you can learn how to find good deals in hot markets with large family yourself and you can syndicate and scale up even faster but you will have to work for this one and if you have another job it could be challenging.

I hope this gives you some ideas. Think of your ultimate goals and move forward in that direction. Take care and God bless.

Thank you for your thoughts! I really like options 2, 3, 4, and 5.

2: I'll be attending the next REI meetups and make some friends who may want to partner up.

3: My wife and I would have no problem getting into a multi unit property. The ones out there, (atleast on the MLS) are a bit high to make the magic numbers work, but of course I could always lowball an offer.

4. Same with multifamily. The prices are so high, and I am so confused at why an investor would choose these. I live near a ski town (Park City), and there is a duplex listed at $3.5 million! I am scratching my head. But again, I could lowball an offer that's not in Park City.

5. It would be nice to shadow someone and learn from them one on one. Even more reason for the meetup!

Thank you for your thoughts!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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Originally posted by @Ola Dantis:

@Michael Malmrose Welcome to BP! 

The great thing about Real Estate Investing (REI) is that there are literally 100 ways (or more) to get started.

Using your seed capital as a starting point, I would start with asking "do I want to be an active or passive investing AND what is the goal here or what does success look like? 

ACTIVE vs PASSIVE | Some people join BP and straight assume: I should be an active investor, and that assumption can be interesting because many people haven't had the purview to the challenges of getting started in REI. There are a few reasons many never get started in REI (we see those investors all the time at REIA MeetUps [in fact, they are regulars]). 

Having said that, if you have spent ample time to appreciate what ACTIVE REI entails such as patience, ridiculous persistence, and sometimes failure and rejection. You are now well equipped, at least, mentally, to jump in.

FACT: Most of us WANT to either earn money OR get our current capital to SWEAT MORE that is why REI is initially considered. Consequently, it is not an absolute must to start with active investing. I know of an investor in California and all he does is passively invest with our investors AND he does incredibly well.

To answer your questions (using the preamble above as fundamentals)

Do I dare buy my first experience out of state? Like Alabama? Yes, you could buy out-of-state, but you have to ensure you do your Due Diligence on your boots-on-the-ground folks. Remember, if you can do Alabama, then you can do the remote part in your state too! 

Maybe try a fix and flip first? Honestly, I wouldn't advise a flip for a first deal because there are too many variables and susceptibilities to errors. That said, have there been Investors, who have successfully done their first deal as a flip? Absolutely! Conversely, can we find Investors who tried to flip their first deal and lost it all? You bet! Expectedly, many lick their wounds in the corner and/or swear not to do Real Estate again! 

Recommendations: 

PASSIVE INVESTING: Remember, that Real Estate Investors doesn't have to be all-or-nothing I have to do it all by myself active investing. You can research other ways to leverage people who have some experience doing real estate and partner with them.  

HOUSE HACKING: I think someone had already mentioned this; however, this bit requires sacrifice: are you ok with moving from your current house and now living in a multifamily house with other tenants? If you are willing to do that then it could be an interesting start for you. 

MORE RESEARCH: Wait a tiny bit on pulling out that equity and reflect a little more and ASK WHY do I want to this now in my life. Perhaps, you have done this already. Study other ways to get started and give yourself a firm timeline to get started but after you have researched your options a bit more. 

Hope this helps. 

 

You have some very good points to consider. I have much to learn, and every time I get on here, I realize that I don't even know what I don't know. I have yet to refi my 15 year mortgage that will be paid off (we are renting it out currently for a cashflow of about $100, but it will be free and clear in 11 years which will give us upwards of $2,500/month. If/when we refi, we'll have about $500 of cashflow and be able to pay off debt which will save us $500. It's a tricky decision, and I'll definitely have a firm plan before jumping. Thank you so much for your thoughts!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@David Barnett I appreciate your input! It's been at least 12 hours now that I am steering toward investing out of state--very carefully! We'll see what the next 12 hours look like.Looking forward to a business trip!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@Rachael Wick Thank you for your thoughts! I really like options 2, 3, 4, and 5.

2: I'll be attending the next REI meetups and make some friends who may want to partner up.

3: My wife and I would have no problem getting into a multi unit property. The ones out there, (atleast on the MLS) are a bit high to make the magic numbers work, but of course I could always lowball an offer.

4. Same with multifamily. The prices are so high, and I am so confused at why an investor would choose these. I live near a ski town (Park City), and there is a duplex listed at $3.5 million! I am scratching my head. But again, I could lowball an offer that's not in Park City.

5. It would be nice to shadow someone and learn from them one on one. Even more reason for the meetup!

Thank you for your thoughts!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@Dave DeMarinis:

1. No. 2. I actually would like to be more of an active investor as far as fixing up properties, etc. 3. I would like to start more active and move more to passive over time. I guess I wasn't thinking clearly when I considered the initial question that another BP user asked. I have the OCD problem that I don't want to make a mistake and need to get it right the first time. My therapist says that's not healthy! Ugh!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@ola dantis: You have some very good points to consider. I have much to learn, and every time I get on here, I realize that I don't even know what I don't know. I have yet to refi my 15 year mortgage that will be paid off (we are renting it out currently for a cashflow of about $100, but it will be free and clear in 11 years which will give us upwards of $2,500/month. If/when we refi, we'll have about $500 of cashflow and be able to pay off debt which will save us $500. It's a tricky decision, and I'll definitely have a firm plan before jumping. Thank you so much for your thoughts!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@David Dachtera

Yes, I have much to learn. $20,000 in education? What would you recommend?

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@Andrew Syrios

Haha! Let me also give you my SSN, birthdate, and my prior addresses as well!

Post: What to do with a pile of money

Michael MalmrosePosted
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@Rob Drum

I thought about buying a fourplex, keeping one unit for us, and Aibnb it and we stay with family. It seems like cities are buckling down on allowing Airbnb, right? I'll look into it