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All Forum Posts by: Michael Hunt

Michael Hunt has started 8 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Which state to purchase a Duplex in?

Michael HuntPosted
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Rodney Sums:
Quote from @Michael Hunt:

I'm a novice investor trying to get a better handle on which state to look into for a duplex investment property with a goal of cashflowing. 
I would like to invest in either the Midwest or Southeast as it is my understanding that those regions are great at cash flowing. Based on my research on landlord-favorable states, I came up with:

Midwest: Indiana and Ohio

Southeast: Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia

Would you not invest in any of these states, and if so, why? I was thinking of potentially ruling out Louisiana due to flood risk.

Thanks in advance!

PS: I'll be an out-of-state investor from California


 Im under contract in Ohio. While it's not a complete list, here are some things I researched and learned about that's different from where my other investments are:

Landscaping costs (lots of grass) 

Crawl space or basement integrity considerations including operable sump pumps

Majority of properties, especially multifamily are old. A trace amount of properties are under 30years old

Property taxes are often much higher by comparison

You may have to pay for snow plowing

Gutters

Lead paint certification requirements in certain areas

Radon gas


Thanks, Rodney. Much appreciated!

Post: Which state to purchase a Duplex in?

Michael HuntPosted
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Erin Dreher:

Arkansas is a landlord friendly state! Duplexes do very well here. I see a lot of out of state investors looking here because of our price points. SFR and multi family is still very affordable in central Arkansas.

Is there any things I should watch out for in Arkasas (e.g., flood zones, tornado(?)-prone areas, etc.)? Thanks!

Post: Which state to purchase a Duplex in?

Michael HuntPosted
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 7

I'm a novice investor trying to get a better handle on which state to look into for a duplex investment property with a goal of cashflowing. 
I would like to invest in either the Midwest or Southeast as it is my understanding that those regions are great at cash flowing. Based on my research on landlord-favorable states, I came up with:

Midwest: Indiana and Ohio

Southeast: Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia

Would you not invest in any of these states, and if so, why? I was thinking of potentially ruling out Louisiana due to flood risk.

Thanks in advance!

PS: I'll be an out-of-state investor from California

Curious as to how an experienced real estate investor would interpret the following listing:

"Charming Triplex located in the heart of [AREA]. Very low maintenance Triplex with excellent long term tenant which have each been at the property for over 15 years. Tenants are paying well below market rent. Potential to increase rent by 45% from current rent. Super Hot Area for new development opportunity in one of [AREA's] Hottest Neighborhood. Close proximity to shopping, restaurants, schools, parks, public transportation, and freeway."

As a novice, I read the underlined parts as 

low maintenance = hasn't been maintained or tenants are easy-going

long term tenant which have each been at the property for over 15 years = property hasn't been updated/renovated in 15 years, so expect to pay a lot of renovations

Tenants are paying well below market rent = rent hasn't been updated; these "low maintenance" tenants will most likely leave if I raise the rent by 45%.

Would you agree?  Am I missing anything? Would love any additional insights.

Thanks in advance!

Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Michael Hunt Hmmm, there's a little more to this than meets the eye.  The posts above are correct with that we want to work with a lender that uses the rental income to help us qualify but there's a little nuance thing to what you are saying.  Let' me explain some if you don't mind:

1. A commercial/portfolio/DSCR style loan will lend to your business entity. Your partnership/LLC is the actual borrower. This means that loan is NOT under your name. The property would ALSO not be under your name - but rather the company name. However, to go this route you MAY have a little higher rate (or some other feature that may not be as attractive as a "conventional" loan). Don't get dissuaded by this. Use this loan type. This is the preferred loan type if you are in a partnership with someone on real estate since you will be splitting profits according to your partnership. I'm saying it like this because...

2. A conventional loan (from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac) will put the loan in your personal name.  The property will be in your personal name.  That doesn't sound like that big of a difference except that they hold 100% of the payment against you.  Even if you have multiple borrowers, ALL borrowers have 100% of the payment held against them.  This is a big problem if you are splitting the profits.   You'll have 100% of the debt....but only 50% of the profits.  It will look like you are taking a loss.

So even though that commercial loan route might seem a little more negative with the rate or prepayment penalty or whatever, that's the route you will want to go.  

Now when it comes time to get your own, primary home - going conventional is fine!  That's no issue, there's no profits to split or anything like that with your primary home.  So going with a traditional loan on your primary home is no problem just as long as that investment property is structured properly.

I hope all of that makes sense.


 Thanks for the detailed response Andrew! Much appreciated.

Quote from @Scott E.:

Buying an investment property prior to buying your first home is not a problem.

The lender will give you credit for the rental income on your investment property, which means that the debt associated with that property will have little to no impact on your debt-to-income ratio. 

Max DTI ratio is going to be ~45% when you go to buy your primary in SoCal.

If you're making $350k per year, that is $29,166 per month.

Assuming you put 20% down on your new $800k home, and assuming rates are around 6.5%, your mortgage payment will be ~$5,000 per month when you include taxes and insurance (taxes are high out there in SoCal!)

$5,000 / $29,166 = 17.14% front end debt-to-income rate.

 Thanks for the insightful response, Scott. I should've probably clarified that the multi-family I'm considering is a duplex, not a commercial property. Would I still be able to get credit for the rental income if that's the case?

Thanks again!

Hello,

My partner and I want to get started on rental properties (~$200k, out of state, multi-family), but are also looking to buy our home in the next year or so ($800k+) in SoCal.

What kind of impact will having a rental property (and therefore the associated debt) have on our ability to finance our home? For reference, we have 800+ credit scores and combined make about $350k/year.

Should we buy our first house before exploring rental properties?

Thanks!