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All Forum Posts by: Michael Greenberg

Michael Greenberg has started 21 posts and replied 519 times.

Post: Are there any good places Airbnb or VRBO data?

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 533
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Originally posted by @Eric P.:

@Michael Greenberg Even with the raw data, it’s impossible to distinguish between blackedout time vs booked time, right?

I believe you are correct Eric, which likely accounts for the 5-10% delta.  As an investment tool, it has been quite useful.  I haven't spent a lot of time with their MarketMinder as without integration with the OTA's I might as well manage the pricing myself.  I know of another tool that is coming out in the next 6-12 months that will add additional functionality and address the blacked out dates.

Post: Are there any good places Airbnb or VRBO data?

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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I think it depends on the area but it was between $200 - $350 last I checked but it's been a few years.

Post: Are there any good places Airbnb or VRBO data?

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@John Clark Airdna will sell you their raw data (I have purchased) in spreadsheet format, just reach out to them.   It's a lot of data, so if you're good with spreadsheet, it's worth the purchase. They also now capture HA/VRBO data as well and I recently witnessed their accuracy being in the 90-95% range.  

Mike

Post: STR Automation Resources

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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I use turnoverbnb for my cleaning crew, it's free to use if you have your own cleaners and there is an app they can use to complete their tasks.  I know a number of hosts that use more than one OTA are using OwnerRez for automated communication and they have a number of other features as well.  I have yet to convert to WiFi locks, I use Schlage dead bolts and send each guest one of 16 unique codes I have programmed.  It's also nice as my cleaners and any handy-people that need to enter can use as well.  To avoid after hour calls, rip and replace any old appliances and even A/C & Furnaces.  In the long run you'll save over dishing out a large % to a PM.  Knock on wood, it's been a long time since I've had an after hours incident.

That is a LOADED question @Jason Miller!  After heeding @John Underwood's advice I would explore a number of options, including but not limited to multiple units on each or one of the lots. I would also look at alternative building (as opposed to stick build) that could expedite your completion, e.g., manufactured homes, log or otherwise as they will also lower your cost. You'll want to make sure the county allows "manufactured homes" on a lot. I would also explore the County restrictions. STR's are about right-sizing for your location. Is it a big lake? Boats? Will you have a dock? Other activites? What size families are likely to rent? What's the competition in the area look like and what are there ADR's (nightly rental rates). I think once you understand some of these basics you'll start to get a feel for what you want.

Post: Selling a STR property

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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Originally posted by @Benjamin Vail:

@Michael Greenberg that is a good question. I believe as high as $255,000! Zillow says $252,000. I have had 1 offer from an Owner occupied buyer @$245,000. 

So the F&F and Rental is only worth an additional $10k?  Don't get me wrong, I haven't figured out how to package this either, but I'm working hard on it as I believe there has to be a model to package this.

Post: Selling a STR property

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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Originally posted by @Benjamin Vail:

I am selling a house right now that is a STR. I only have 60 days open on our calendar. I have a pricing scheme that should really only makes it attractive to guests that book 30 days out or less (which is optimal in my urban market). I put in the MLS listing that we may ask for up to 60 days to do the closing and possession transfer. I am also offering to continue managing the STR for the new owner, which would allow the current listing, reviews, and everything stay in place as it is. I am blocking off a day or so here and there, and clustering buyer showings into those days. Last week was a week long guest that was a group in town for a bowling tournament. They were very flexible when I asked, and they were ok with us allowing some showings during the day when they were gone.

I have gotten lots of feedback from potential owner occupant buyers that they were interested in the house because they may want to do Airbnb in it while they are gone, or in some future situation. Seeing what it could make on on Airbnb is a attractive selling feature for this new age of home buyers. I put a screenshot of the AirDNA revenue report as one of the photos in the MLS. The house and furniture are for sale at $255,000, and the house brought in $40,000 last year on Airbnb.

Thanks for posting Ben. What would the house be worth without the STR?

Post: Selling a STR property

Michael GreenbergPosted
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  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 533
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@Brad Johnson My most recent sale was planned far in advance so I could manage through my high season and sell when the market cooled a bit.  I then blocked my calendar for the following 6 months (just in case it didn't sell) and my loss was very negligible.  It would have been very difficult to manage in-between showings and I wanted a full-court press on the sale of the place as quickly as possible.  A few other ideas may be to: 1) push the closing out until your last guest in August (likely to limit your buyer potential), 2) manage the rental (for a fee or split) on behalf of the new owner through your last guest, 3) capture a split on the rents from the buyer, 4) sell the bookings separately to the buyer.  There is another recent discussion here on BP about selling "the business" (not just the real estate) that I am working on sorting out, but that would be an entire business, not just a portion of it.  Take a look at that thread, it might give you some ideas.

Two concepts surfaced from my meeting with the bank. I brought along a financial package that included a P&L, Balance Sheet, and Cash Flow for the past 3 years. At first he was a bit perplexed and didn't quite follow my logic, however he did eventually "get it" though he was non-committal. He used a similar example of loaning on a senior living "home" (some investors buy a home and create boutique senior living accommodations). He was able to fund this as a "rental" with no differentiation between short term and long term rentals. As we discussed this further, another idea surfaced of using a Solo 401k / Self Directed IRA to complete the acquisition as the bank would only secure the real estate in the transaction. I have purchased an STR with my Solo 401k, what a great way to increase the value by using my own investment. There are obviously rules around each of these financial facilities, but well worth thinking about. Next move will be my CPA to gather his opinion of buying the business that includes the RE. Ce may not have any near term availability during tax season. I will post again when I connect with him.

There are so many opportunities for this, however it is difficult to manage from far away.  Interestingly, Airbnb wants you to sell "experiences", and of course they have their own to profit from, but it would be nice if they provided Hosts the ability to manage these on behalf of the guest. (Same goes for HomeAway).  At this juncture I make recommendations to my guests in my Welcome Guide.