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All Forum Posts by: Michaela G.

Michaela G. has started 88 posts and replied 3170 times.

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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  • Atlanta, GA
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 YOu are right.  These people are just trying to blow smoke up peoples Butt in the name of Humanity.  Its all self serving . 

Compassion is taking the little dog with a broken leg to the vet.  Writing letters is Screaming i want my money Its Business.

 Do you play chess? That's my gambit - my opening, in which I sacrifice something, in order to gain something else. 

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Heather Frusco:

@Michaela G. I think that is commendable and in my honest opinion on of the most kind things one can do, you have my respect. But that doesn't mean it makes any sense as an investor. For instance, would you pay for other tenants which are not in your own properties... would you help other tenants make rent?.... if the answer is 'No' then I can assure you didn't get into rental properties to provide housing for free or to break even. Is CVS, Walgreens, your mortgage company, your insurance company foregoing their PROFIT... they are after all in a much stronger position that all of us... the answer is 'NO' the best you see is a delay in responsibilities... not because they are callus but because it is a business... the moment you forget that and cross that line (with good intentions)... you will be corrected for it... the market will correct it and remind you that you're either a running business (profitable) or a charity... it'll make that decision for you based on how you address situations like these - some will soon see their rentals needing serious cash infusions for a myriad of reasons i.e. maintenance, repairs, debts and will soon wish they would have protected their reserves. 

I hope that your tenants will come through for you and pay you the decreased amount you have worked out with them but, just my honest opinion... because you have 'forecasted' your willingness to 'help' you will likely see many more problems with payment and for a longer period than those which don't forecast and instead take it on a private case-by-case basis while still filling for eviction (or getting in line for it)... just my take... I hope I'm wrong but...only

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm also an excellent chess player.

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Heather Frusco:

@Jay Hinrichs for sure and I agree with it all. The interesting take however, are those 'investors' / landlords on here which take it upon themselves to 'help' by forgiving  rent payments all together claiming that they have reserves in place for it - more power to them but, really... For those looking to 'carry' their tenant's debts... an honest question... 'who will carry your debts once you have blown through your reserve and you are then facing a leaky roof, a leaky water heater, taxes, insurance, mortgage and utilities'? - It's almost akin to an airplane going down and instead of these investors downing their O2 masks on first... they attempt to help someone else thinking that they're in a position to do so, only to later find themselves out cold between a rock and hard place. 

Help where you can... but realize that your reserves are meant to get you through long evictions... execute a payment plan with your tenants, if needed (don't broadcast it.. FGS) and still file for eviction so that it is ready when the courts open back up... if the tenant is paying as agreed under the new agreement no harm no foul... but if still not... you can proceed swiftly through an eviction when they open up... it really is that simple.  


I'm one of those investors and I'm willing to forego my PROFIT for April, not the total rent payments. Yes, I have reserves, but I wouldn't have to touch them, except for repairs. I can hold out for a while. This is my offer for April. I'll see what happens afterwards. 

I believe in karma. It all comes back around

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Heather Frusco:

@Jay Hinrichs oh I know it... heck the majority go from pay-check to pay-check. But it's must something to point out to those on here that mention 'investors should have reserves in place for situations like these' and the proceed to make their point as to why they'll be deploying their reserves to 'help'. The counter argument is, 'Tenant's should also have 3-6 month's in reserves in place'... those that don't just like those investors that don't should not be expecting help from those did prepare appropriately. 

But sometimes it's wise to look at the big picture and help someone in order to help ourselves. Giving some upfront may create goodwill in the tenants. I've had my share of tenants that packed up in the middle of the night and just disappeared, because they didn't have rent money. When people lose their income, not everyone calls the landlord. If they don't have it, they don't have it. So, I dropped my April rents to just above my mortgages to help tenants be able to pay rent with their stimulus checks, instead of just disappearing. We have a moratorium on evictions, so I don't have much I can do. 

Sure, I could be strict and rigid and insist on the full rent, as I would in normal times, but those that can't pay, can just ride it out on eviction. 

It's much harder for a good tenant to screw over a landlord, that has been good to them, than to justify it to a landlord, that , even in emergencies, shows they have no regard for anyone or anything but money. 

This is a huge situation and we're all in this together 

Post: Reduced Rents for COVID-19?

Michaela G.Posted
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A couple of days ago I sat down and wrote down all of my piti payments and lowered all of my rents to a little above that point. I offered all of my tenants reduced rents for April. I gave away my profit but since the total payments would cover also the mortgage on my own house, I have no car payment no expensive hobbies/habits and have 60k in cash reserves and another 90K I could access through credit cards, I'm ok with that. 

A lot of my tenants are artists/creatives, who work in service industry to pay their bills. Their income stream has been cut off for now. Evictions have a moratorium in Atlanta, so, there's no penalty for tenants to just not pay. 

I'd rather offer them goodwill and have them work with me and pay their rent with the upcoming stimulus, than feeling that they'll just go ahead and wait out the eviction or just move (without notifying me), because it'll be hard to fill any vacancies right now. It's much easier for a tenant to feel righteous and not give a damn about the landlord that appears to not care and only worries about their money, than it is to screw someone over that has been fair to you. 

This is an emergency and I'm willing to give up something, instead of being rigid. 

I"m a big picture person and rather look at the long term than just making enough money next month. 

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Shashi P.:
Originally posted by @Michaela G.:
Originally posted by @Shashi P.:

@Cynthia Brooks I am somewhat excited. I have always thought it was unfair that a bunch of people got into real estate in 2013 timeframe and got houses super cheap and then enjoyed all the appreciation. I was sitting with my money waiting for a crash and the business is also throwing out cash. I want a crash in the real estate market like in stocks - I also deserve an opportunity to get in on the money machine. I understand that affects people on this site. I just want us to acknowledge all the good things that will come from this - wealth will be transferred to people who didn’t get a chance to get in during 2013.

wow! That's a horrible attitude! So, you want everyone to lose, so that you can make money? Sounds just like all of the corrupt people in government today. Who do you think you are, that you deserve to cash out on the backs of all of us who took chances and worked our butts off and bought when you didn't? 

You are the same breed that I am. You built your wealth off the backs of the misery and suffering that was the 2008 real estate crash - where investors and normal people alike lost their homes. The banks then put the houses out on market for 30 cents on the dollar in some places. You bought in 2009-2013. You are just the same as I am - you caught the upswing on a different crash than me. But you are the same.  I sit now with money and this is my time.   Why are you so appalled - this is the cycle right?? Investors = buy low, sell high.  Is this the whole game. So yes I am hoping everyone looses their houses so I could do what you all chose to do in 2010 - mercilessly offer 150k for a house that was worth 350-400 just 2 years ago (or were you generous enough to offer 350?) no you weren’t because you are a investor.

Investors are vulture looking for dead carcasses that can someday become racehorses.  

There's a huuuuge difference between us. I took advantage of an opportunity that was not of my making. I didn't want anyone to foreclose or lose their business and I did nothing to make that happen. I bought REOs that were offered by the banks after the fact.

But you actually wish for all of us to lose everything, so that you can profit of that. That's makes you an absolutely horrible person !!!

Post: Corona Consequences - Landlords Are Part Of The Solution

Michaela G.Posted
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@Merritt ,

I believe in times like these, in the big picture of things, those that create some goodwill with tenants will persevere better than those that won't give an inch. When a tenant has nothing to lose by not paying, because there are no evictions, It's better to be seen as a landlord that's willing to be a good person, than to be seen as one that is only out for their money. Because it's so much easier to justify screwing over someone that's only about money than someone that has shown humanity. 

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Shashi P.:

@Cynthia Brooks I am somewhat excited. I have always thought it was unfair that a bunch of people got into real estate in 2013 timeframe and got houses super cheap and then enjoyed all the appreciation. I was sitting with my money waiting for a crash and the business is also throwing out cash. I want a crash in the real estate market like in stocks - I also deserve an opportunity to get in on the money machine. I understand that affects people on this site. I just want us to acknowledge all the good things that will come from this - wealth will be transferred to people who didn’t get a chance to get in during 2013.

wow! That's a horrible attitude! So, you want everyone to lose, so that you can make money? Sounds just like all of the corrupt people in government today. Who do you think you are, that you deserve to cash out on the backs of all of us who took chances and worked our butts off and bought when you didn't? 

Post: Corona Consequences - Landlords Are Part Of The Solution

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @John Teachout:

I don't disagree with anything in this thread. However, if I told all our tenants that they didn't have to pay rent this month, our income would drop to....zero... We live off our rental income. It's our full time job and there is no W2 income to live off of if the rents are reduced or stopped. So not getting rent would immediately be a really bad situation. We can't file for unemployment like the laid off factory worker and "evicting" someone doesn't really solve anything. We'll work with our tenants to the extent they need help but we don't plan on forgiving any rent. Late payments we could forgive but the rent is needed even if they don't get us paid up for several months. I don't see this situation as being as dire as many. Possibly because I'm older than many on this forum and I've seen "the end of the world" multiple times and it's rarely as bad as predicted. We have good relationships with most of our tenants and keep the properties in good condition. Our turnover rate is low and we don't want vacancies resulting from this but the rent is essential.

I think that many people, and it seems you as well in this post, overlook that it's not 'black or white' - as in 'pay all the rent or pay nothing'. There's a huge number of shades of gray in between and the decision that I made falls into those. My rental income is my only income as well. No job, no W2. I have 60K cash reserves and I have about 90K credit cards that are clear. I have no car payment and the mortgage on my own home is under $ 800.00. I don't have an expensive life style or expensive hobbies or habits. 

So, for April I offered to forget about my profit. I can live without profit and use my savings for my own living expenses. It won't cost much. If my tenants can pay enough so that I can pay my mortgages, then I think that's a win-win for everyone. Sometimes you have to give some to get some. If you're too rigid and never bend , you'll break. 

This is an unusual situation and we all have to work together. It's not just that tenants need us, we as landlords need tenants. It's not a one-way street. Some tenants don't start the conversation of having difficulties - they will just move out, ashamed or just broken because of the situation. I could survive a long time that way, if my mortgages are being paid. I would not be able to hold out very long, if my tenants move or not pay (can't evict) and just stay. 

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Michaela G.Posted
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Originally posted by @Brian Dillon:

@Michaela G.

Thank you for advice.. I've spoken to a RE Attorney. And he said he has to honor it. Anyone heard if the eviction ban will be extended?  I would totally understand if we were deadbeats, but I'm a Law enforcement Special Ops Director and my wife is a R.N. @ Vanderbilt... it would understandable if we were "deadbeat tenants" , but we've never missed a payment and 5 years.. and dont plan to.

We were hit by the tornados in Nashville, in my neighborhood.. so I've been working  110 hours + for weeks now.  No compassion at all for a man the claims to a Vetern, who claims to be a " man of God " .  Cant believe how people get greedy, in the most of multiple States of Emergencies... especially with first responders with 2 daughter.  

Thanks all !

- Brian in Nashville region

I see my name, but BP doesn't send me any notifications for some reason. 

I don't know TN law, but in whatever states I've lived, your lease would still be valid during that time. You mention that the owner sold the property. Did it actually close (I assume it didn't or the notice would have to have been given by the new owner) or is it just under contract?

Your options, if this was in Georgia, are: 

a) stick to your guns and the lease that you signed. 

b) Have him offer you 'cash for keys' - a big enough sum to make it worthwhile for you to move. Consider that you'll have to pay movers, maybe move into an airbnb in between and put your stuff in storage and all of the inconvenience of moving. I know you don't want this, but keep it as plan B

c) if the house hasn't actually sold, maybe you can file the lease in the courthouse, under the address of the property. It would then come up in the title search, which is usually done in the week before closing. The buyer would then know and make the decision whether to go ahead with the purchase, with the tenant in place or to back out of the buy. In that case the seller might take the house off the market, but will probably hate your guts and you'll have to live with that animosity for the rest of the lease. And maybe the value isn't so high and it would still be worthwhile for an investor to buy, with tenant in place.