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All Forum Posts by: Melissa Thomas

Melissa Thomas has started 6 posts and replied 14 times.

Quote from @Travis Timmons:

If you're paying the going rate on credit cards, pay that off first. It's a guaranteed return of 18-25%. 

We did the same thing though. We ended up doing over $10k in gross rents in each of the first 4 months (July-Oct). The first and only thought that I had was, "But what if we had 2 properties doing $10k per month?" 

I will say that it is really nice to have the busy season cash flow while we renovate the 2nd place though - it just takes a lot of the stress away. You will also see an increase in ADR and income the second lap around the calendar (assuming that you get good reviews and performance). We're making about 50-60% more this summer compared to last year. It's a 5 bedroom place, and we have noticed a lot of large groups plan summer vacations 3-6 months in advance. We just weren't able to capture that crowd last year since we did not go live until the last week of June. 


 That is a really great point on the guaranteed return, we sit at 24.99% on the line of credit we used, and if we roll that into a conventional mortgage even at a higher rate it is saving a ton. Its easy to forget the cost of that line of credit, when in reality could save us more than another property would bring in.

Quote from @Travis Timmons:

You did exactly what we did last year. We spent SO much money renovating a place, got it listed, and booked 11k in the first 48 hours (it was July in Maine, though - busy season as well). All of this depends on your financial situation, but I'd take a breath, and get through the first season before doing anything. You'll likely find that you won't finish out a lot of the additional or forgotten details and updates to your current house until Jan-Feb of next year. While our place was certainly rent ready, there was $5-7k of additional work that needed to be done in the offseason. We also had a pile of CC debt (0% interest for 12 months) that we ended up paying off by December of last year. It was a dangerous game to play but it worked out. 

One of my favorite sayings to repeat to myself is "nothing fails like success." I'm never more vulnerable to make a mistake than after doing something like buying a fixer 2000 miles away from my primary residence as a short term rental (and it worked!). I'd suggest taking a breath, piling up money, and re-assessing next Jan-Feb-March. 

We did end up buying another project of a house in February. It's hard to not try to find a way to get another one when you see how well it went the first time. It's also easy to forget how hard it was...go figure that this renovation is taking longer than expected as well (and we are missing the busy season). Who could have seen that coming?


 Thanks for that! Yes, it was incredibly difficult and there will be loose ends to tie up at our current property for sure. It is likely smarter to bank up rents now and pay down the dept over time. We do not have 0% but perhaps that is something I can roll the debt into to get the interest down at least.

I am a full-time marketing manager and I JUST wrapped up my first STR remodel after 6 LONG months. I went over budget of course but my husband and sunk in a good 60K on property renovations and took on extra debt to renovate an A Frame property near a popular tourist destination. I was also able to work out additional rehab work (including outdoor living space and updates) with my contractor on a trade agreement for marketing consulting. Which is great, because I was able to add value to the home without the extra cash out of pocket.

I have been live on Airbnb and VRBO for just about 3 weeks and we have hit over 13K in reservations through the first week of August alone. This is incredibly promising but is our busy season, and do not expect these numbers year-round. But cash flow is better than anticipated. I put 20% down initially, have paid 6 months of mortgage payments, and have forced appreciation.

We purchased the home with a 15-year conventional mortgage and considering a BRRR to purchase the next property, possibly refinancing into a DSCR under our LLC. The challenge is that we took on CC debt for the remodel and our scores dropped a good amount in the last 6 months. Is it better to sit and collect the cash for a while and pay down the debt that way? Are there creative ways to restructure the debt with a BRRRR to do this?

Our initial goal was to let the cash accumulate and not touch it until we had another 20% built up for another property, but not sure I want to wait a couple of years to do that. Does anyone have advice on the best possible strategies on if it makes sense to pay the debt first if I could even BRRRR with a score in the mid 600s right now? Not sure the best path forward to continue building our portfolio, ideally with another STR this year.

thank you!

Quote from @Andrew Steffens:

I think everyone agrees here you def can! We often beat AirDNA for our clients by not only providing a superior product but also listing on 14+ sites (and direct booking marketing) as well as using good pricing software.  Best of luck!


 Right agreed! I am also not leaning on OTAs alone and will be fully marketing my property (I am a marketing professional by trade) so I think that could help as well, vs throwing it up on an OTA and letting it sit.

Quote from @Michael Baum:

Hey @Melissa Thomas, well, I agree with some of your ideas. EV chargers are something you could offer. Not sure how that will add to your bottom line seeing as just about 3% of the cars on the road are EVs.

Before adding a hot tub, make sure you have the infrastructure (cleaners) in the area to support it. Hot tubs needs to have the water swapped per guest (from what I have read here on BP).

With the local market being more basic cabins, I wouldn't go nuts on finishes. Too overboard can possibly turn off some guests. They might think it is too fancy for them and stay where they usually stay. You will have to find a nice balance. Something nicer than average but not over the top.

Thanks! The place came with a basic hot tub thankfully and no extra out of pocket for me there, and I have worked out details with my cleaner already so we are all set there thankfully! Agreed, its, not anything luxe as I mentioned but better. We do get a lot of traffic from larger cities, mainly Chicago so hoping to appeal to some of that crowd with the EVs (not that all of Chicago has EV's or anything not making assumptions) but we get a good pull from larger cities
Quote from @Michael Baum:

Hey @Melissa Thomas, sounds like a cool place!

I agree with everyone on making it nice as a standout.

Have you looked at all the other listings nearby on AirBNB and VRBO to compare how you will look? What is their nightly rates? What kind of amenities are you talking about? What are others offering?

AirDNA and Rabbu are algorithms so they are basing their info off what is in the area. That can get skewed. For example, I am not meeting AirDNA's nightly rate. That was because we were lumped in with some large log mansions on the lake.

Our lake house is nice, but not 13k sqft and 4k a night. AirDNA priced us at $1250 a night. That is way over what we charge and what I felt, based on comps, we should rent for. 


 I have looked at the nearby listings, and think while we are not luxury or a huge cabin, a unique higher-end stay perhaps, offering EV charger, hot tub, and more modern finishes, other nightly rates seem higher than Airdna for sure. My market is still very much your standard cabin with beds everywhere. I also think it might be skewed due to a few very new properties coming in at a lower nightly rate in the last couple of months, likely to get bookings... I am trying to be realistic about ADR etc. Hoping to be up and running in less than 4 weeks, hoping we perform well!

Quote from @John Underwood:

First I don't trust these comps because they can't drill down to specific comps to make sure they are your true competition. 

So yes if you have a great property that has a great location, views and amenities then you should absolutely be able to do better than these estimates.

Thankyou for that feedback!
Quote from @Ryan Moyer:

Absolutely.  Doing things to stand out is definitely the way to go right now.  There was a time during the revenge travel boom where getting an average listing and spending the least out of pocket was a decent way to maximize revenue.  Now it's the opposite, as there is a huge oversupply of average listings and you really need to stand out in terms of amenities and the property itself.

Of course, as more and more people realize that (as many many already have) what was once "stand out" will become "average", and be less advantageous.  We're seeing this a lot in the Disney area where a "regular" home used to be average and a mid-tier themed home was "stand out".  Now I would say a mid tier theme home is "average" and to standout you have to have really over the top theming (which is becoming more and more average by the day).  


 Thank you! Yes I see that, I think my market is still catching up and everyone is still in that very basic set up. I see myself as shaking it up a bit, and hoping the market demand will be there for my offering. Thanks for the perspecitve, I have not heard of the revenge boom!

I recently purchased a unique home - an A-Frame in northern Wisconsin at the end of December. I have been working through major renovations such as a new roof, a fully gutted bathroom with higher end finishes, and lots of new amenities that my competition does not have.

I hope the additional sweat equity and improvements will increase the property value; however, since doing all of the comps in November AirDNA and Rabbu look much different and much lower for comps. There are more properties being listed focusing on big groups and beds and heads, whereas my strategy is focusing on a more unique stay and experience, I have higher-end amenities and upgrades, focusing on smaller groups of 8 max, and also offering a menu of concierge services.

The comps now have me worried, the AirDNA and Rabbu data. What I am wondering is if anyone else is offering unique options like this and seeing a positive difference in your performance vs. AirDNA and Rabbu Comps? Any feedback is appreciated!