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All Forum Posts by: John Drinkwater

John Drinkwater has started 6 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Future Value Vs Present Value

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Thanks Ian. I do agree with your statement. I am just curious what others are doing in LA. Something could be off for this particular zone, and I am just being too conservative. Any Los Angeles investors out there have an opinion? 

Post: Future Value Vs Present Value

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Hi Guys - 

Question for the Greater Los Angeles Area Investors / House Flippers out there:

So all my offers to buy have been based off present value, on similar comps that have recently sold within a 1/2 mile of the property. (the area to draw from really depends on the house, sometimes I can get three closer then a 1/2 mile)

So far, non of my offers have been accepted. 

Being an Agent, and understanding what the can be done to a property, and what it could be sold for, I am wondering for the LA Market if I am going about this wrong.. 

Are people out there taking a chance, and betting on Future Value to lock in a "deal".

Or do I stick to my guns and keep chugging along. 

Thanks!

md

Post: The "Quit Playing Games" Scenario

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Thats Exactly what was worded in my original offer. 

I also said verbally I would not be asking for money back.

The counter offers that I sent for less (there were 3 in total), were based on their requests.

(Sellers staying in the house for 15 days after COE, no money left in Escrow to pay for Rental period, No inspections, etc etc... )

And Again - Escrow would close in 10 days, and I had 7 days to get inspections done. So really, no time was being lost on their end. 

Ah well. Back to the drawing board. 

Post: The "Quit Playing Games" Scenario

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

No - 

I was my own agent on this one. 

If I was giving it to her, and allowing the double dipping, I would have expected a bit better in terms of Contingencies. Offer was based on my leg work with the surrounding area. But the Contingencies, and being so dead set against them, that is something I just don't follow. Especially with the short turn around Escrow. 

Post: The "Quit Playing Games" Scenario

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

You know what is frustrating?

After 3 Months, and 100 + hours of going through Los Angeles Housing Market analyzing 100's of deals, still coming up short. 

Last week, Friday morning to be exact, I found a listing in West Adams that had numbers that seemed ok. The Agent in charge happened to be having an open house that morning, and I decided to go see it. 

Location is up and coming, and the property sits a block away from our glorious metro line. 

(The house faces it)

When I get inside, the house is packed with stuff, and the owners are in the room as well. So it made it kinda uncomfortable to take pictures. There was one dog in a crate, and supposedly another dog outside. So I couldn't look at the back. 

After a quick walk through, the whole place would need to be redone. The only thing that might have been good was the floors, but who would know of sure since they were buried. Still, the property money wise, had the potential to be a good deal. 

Anyway, I brought an offer with me, asking for over Listing Price, but under what she has been offered. I had the inspection contingency in place, and a 10 day Escrow Close. Cash Deal through 20% of my funds and 80% Hard Money Loan. The last offer supposedly fell through at Escrow, because the buyer couldn't bring money to the table.

I verbally told the Agent it was hard money, but I made the mistake of putting down CASH OFFER on the agreement. So there was some confusion when she came back to us asking for proof of funds from the investors. Typically a letter of intent will suffice, and the investor group doesn't give out copies of their bank account. Once that was settled, and the freak out of the Agent settled down, my offer with changed lingo was amended. She did request the sellers could stay in the house 10 days past escrow for free, so I put in the stipulation that 10K should be held in the escrow account until they full vacate. That way, I didn't have to deal with them personally to get "rent" money after the 10 days had expired, nor would I have to go out of pocket for eviction costs. I kept the inspection contingency intact on the contract, knowing that this would be my first flip, and incase something majorly horrendous came up (Roof, Foundation, and Termite infestation with a touch of poltergeist for example), I could plan out hot to proceed or remove myself from the project. 

Seller's Counter removed inspection contingency again, removed the escrow hold back, and upped the down payment.

I gave her three options: 

#1 - One that had their full counter agreed too, but at a 15K cut back. 

#2 - One that had a reduced Listing Price of 10K off my offer, but included a 1500.00 payment going to the buyers so I could have the full inspection contingency included in my offer. As well as a 5% Down payment (rather then the 10% she had countered with)

#3 - My Full Offer, but I had put the Down Payment to 3% of asking, and added in 6K into the Escrow account, and had escrow close on the day the sellers vacated the property.(Who wants to be responsible for others??) 

Mind you I told the Agent the night before these offers would be to her by 9am. (They were sent out by 8:30am) I didn't hear back until 1pm, and was told she was going to be in a meeting from 2 - 4pm, and she wanted to close at 5pm. 

The Counter was this: 20 Day Close of Escrow (but allow the tenants to stay 3 days after COE for Free), Full offer Price with 3% Down Payment, inspection Contingency (but only foundation issues would allow me to cancel the contract.

And that was the sticking point. I realized after talking with several people (A friend who happens to be an architect, my Broker, and another investor) it was crazy to buy something like this, at that price point, without having the ability to do a full inspection and withdraw the offer. (And mind you, I said I could get this all done within a week, if not a few days)

I also realized I had never seen the back yard due to the dog, and that all of this transpired rather quickly. 

I emailed the agent, and asked for a few documents, asked if I could see the property again (including the back yard and around the house), and that I wasn't feeling good about not have the full inspection contingency inside my offer. 

To be clear, I wasn't going to ask for money back. However, I was going to make sure my plan was solid. And I need the data in order to do that... 

The reply back from the Agent: "I told You no Games".

WTF. 

This is not games. This is making sure I am investing properly and doing my due diligence. 

I have repeatedly asked for the Inspection Clause in all of my offers except for the one counter offer at 15K off my initial offer price. My gut was ringing out, and I wasn't able to put my finger on it until that moment.

An Agent who forces a Buyer to purchase, or uses pressure tactics to force entry into an agreement is not a good Agent. This offer had literally been happening for 72 hours at this point. (Clients were at a wedding over the weekend, so really it was Friday & Monday.) 

You have to be able to walk away from a deal when something isn't right. This might be right for another person, but it's not for me. 

Maybe if I had gone in at a lower rate, I wouldn't have cared too much about the inspection contingency. However, I was tight on cash flow, and didn't trust my numbers enough yet to bring in another investor. 

The "Stop Playing Games" note was insulting. I will not lie, it had irked me. And having the immediate follow up to that be "We have to open escrow today" after only 2 business days, with no real contingency in the contract, and the chance I'd lose 14K.. **** THAT LADY. 

I don't even know why I am posting this. It bothers me on so many levels since I am not that type of person. And I take any business with money very seriously. 

Anyway.. what would you have done? 

Where would you have changed course? 

Upwards and Onwards. 

md

Post: New Member from So Cal

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Hi Polar - 

Thanks for the reply, and don't worry, I plan to approach people when I start getting more inquisitive. 

Post: New Member from So Cal

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Hi @Eric Dowling - 

We are basically looking for specific properties, and price levels that make our market a bit large. Since Los Angeles has been bouncing back pretty steadily over the past few years, our eyes are basically watching the following square: Below the 118, west of the 710, above long beach, and as far west as we can go before touching water. I'll let you know once something possible becomes something tangible. Thanks for the reply! 

Post: New Member from So Cal

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Hi Logan!

Thanks for the welcome 

Post: New Member from So Cal

John DrinkwaterPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 3

Hi Guys -

I have been ghosting the site for about a month, catching up on all the great pod casts from early 2013. I was introduced to this site from J. Scott's books on flipping. The amount of information found here is truly amazing.

My professional background is in production management/ producing for Commercials and Music Videos. I have managed budgets that range from 10K to 3 Million, and typically have very short prep and turn around times. The majority of my jobs have been located in Southern California; however, I have been fortunate enough to have instances where my work has taken me outside of the country.

I am currently embarking on my first flip with three other friends, so I am trying to grab as much information as I can from this site.

I look forward to continuing my growth here, and hopefully as I gain experience, I will be able to help with others trying to do the same thing.

Thanks for reading -

Mike Drinkwater