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All Forum Posts by: Matthew Irvine

Matthew Irvine has started 16 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

@Robert Zaccaria thanks for the input.  I think an economic engine/anchor is essential, most of the mini cities you find will have a hospital as they support services for most of the surrounding towns.  That said they are definitely not all created equal and the determination by the local government towards that revitalization in most cases is the key.

@Jonathan R McLaughlin great point.  I look at data a fair amount and tend to gloss over age as I am never sure how best to analyze it, but I think the key is what you point to, trends.  The cities like this around me tend to be lacking in infrastructure and internet/tech upgrades as they have been mostly left behind with the loss of tax revenues in recent decades.  Arts and culture is important in there absence, I believe cultural areas draw younger creative individuals that can generate that needed reboot.  Thanks for your thoughts

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

@Brian Mcmenamin  I agree fully.  I think for an individual looking to learn or looking to do a deal these markets should not be frowned upon as they serve a purpose.  I invest in said markets and see the problem you mentioned, solid for 5-10 properties but very limiting after that.  I have only been doing this for a short period of time and focus mainly on cash flow and serving the working class tenant base, but would love someone to tell me that I am going to regret it in 10 years.  Insight from the experienced is priceless.  Thanks again

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micropolitan...

The link above notes many of the areas I'm speaking of, some with growth some with out.  These areas range from Steamboat Springs Colorado, to 15 different areas in Texas.  May have suburbs but will undoubtedly have a large number of small multi-family homes that can cash flow.  Do these small often unspoken of markets that live in the shadows of Major Metros serve as a place for newbies to cut there teeth in the world of real estate or should they run the other way.

Small city, no growth, good cash flow?

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

Maybe the post title should be this, "Should a stagnant city deter you from cash flow potential?"

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

Sorry If I was unclear about my curiosity.  The point of the post was to broadly ask the question about stagnant markets with strong cash flow.  Most people will define a good market as one with a strong job market(i.e big name employers that employ white collar jobs, as these create the most secondary employment), a growing population 10% or greater, low crime, economic engines, etc.  Now once you identify these growing markets you have to find reasonably priced properties that will cash flow.  If you are just starting out this can be overwhelming.  My question is if you have a stagnant city, one that is small but bigger then all surrounding towns, one that has steady service sector employment and strong rental demand, 2% deals can be easily created through solid negotiation and creative deal making; do you buy?  I feel the question is one often unanswered and is one that is applicable to a large majority of new investors.  Most people have with an hour of there home a city like this but it has many things that appear as red flags, is there potential for new investors to succeed?  There are no tail winds to speak of to carry you through bad decisions, but good cash flow opportunities exist.  I am speaking philosophically and not specifically.  Thanks for your reply

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

I am familiar with these cities in terms of the Northeast (Connecticut, Massachusetts, Upstate New York), but have to assume they exist anywhere that once was a production hub; i.e. Rust Belt Cities.  The conversation I am hoping to spark is that of whether cash flow and strong rental markets is enough.  I don't want to talk about massive cities that were once prominent in there respective states such as Detroit or St. Louis, but the small essential service sector dominant cities that are relied upon for weekend shopping by the town of 2,000 that can't support a Walmart, Dunkin Donuts, Outback, etc.  I look forward to hearing thoughts from both sides.

Post: Cash Flow No Growth Case Study

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

Invest or ignore.  All opinions appreciated.

County Size: 150,000
City Size: 40,000
Unemployment: In line with US
Household Income: $45,000
10 Year Pop. Growth: 0%
Renter Population: 30+%

City Description: The city is the service hub of the county, it contains all the big box stores as well as a struggling downtown.  The downtown is comprised mainly of smaller commercial buildings with mix use of restaurants/store fronts and residential apartments.  Classic case of a city that once manufactured one or more products and had a strong blue collar influence, but now is mainly low income service jobs.  Real estate prices have not recovered fully from the downturn and it is still very much a buyers market. 

These 'Micropolis' or mini cities exist all over the US, they are centers of there county and although they are stagnant in job and population growth, they are a necessity for all surrounding towns.  The renter population remains strong as service jobs allow for easy employment, but poor upside for renters to become owners.  Price appreciation is slow if it even exists but spreads in purchase prices are high.  The ability to negotiate purchase prices down for instant equity gains is prevalent due to lack of qualified home buyers.  Rents are strong and vacancy low.

The obvious concern for these markets is that the lack of population growth may worsen and actually begin shrinking. Stagnant economies that don't produce high paying jobs don't lead to increased real estate prices, so appreciation may be ruled out as well. The upside is using the BRRR strategy to capture the spread in prices, allow the 'working poor' to rent from you indefinitely and build a productive cash flow portfolio.

Thoughts?

Post: Looking for a real estate agent in Fairfield County, CT

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

Hi All,

I am currently looking for an investor friendly agent in Fairfield County CT.  I haven't had much luck with the agents I have reached out to thus far.  I am looking for cash flow properties, single family or multi family, currently focused on Bridgeport, but am open to other cities/towns.  I have been pre-approved for a 200k loan and have an additional 40k for rehab.  Please reach out if you are, or know any realtors in the area that would be able to assist in my search.

Thanks a lot!
Matt Irvine

Post: New Member From Connecticut

Matthew IrvinePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Stamford, CT
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 17

Hi Everyone,


My name is Matthew Irvine, I am a 25 year old living in southern Fairfield County, CT. I am new to real estate, and have not yet purchased a property. I have listened to many of the podcasts and begun reading 'Rich Dad Poor Dad'. I have some low level knowledge from a real estate class I took in college and light reading I have done over the past 2 years. I currently work full time, but am looking to begin purchasing in the coming 12 months, with the goal of buy and hold in mind.

I appreciate any advice and tips, either generally or about my market. Happy to be joining and hope to be a regular on the forum going forward.

Best,
Matt