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All Forum Posts by: Marie Withelidua

Marie Withelidua has started 1 posts and replied 16 times.

Originally posted by @Matt R.:

I don't have the answers, but I do know a dude who had to move out of state for work, and he rented out his house to Section 8 thinking that was a good idea. Well fast forward and he had all the issues going not next door but at his house. That one house basically ruined the street with this and all their friends now associated with that house. Anywho, it took about 3 years for the street to get back to normal. Needless to say those section 8ers did some damage to the house and the others on the street were not happy for a bit with that front yard scene they had to deal with.  IDK if this applies to your situation as his hood was mostly all home owners. Stuff happens. 

 It sounds all too familiar, because they have run that house down even more.  And, the front yard scene is definitely similar to this situation, because they tend to always be in the front yard doing everything, which I really do believe it's due to the house being too crowded.  The noise, the traffic and before it was the loud music blasting from the cars at all hours.  That has been diminished...thankfully, but it took me saying something time and time again - after me and my family being jarred awake numerous times.  

Originally posted by @Albert Ng:

If you are the only one in the neighborhood complaining .... tough luck. You probably just need better noise insulation for your home.

If there are several complaining, I have heard of a case where a whole neighborhood bang together and sued the landlord for renting the house out to gangsters. They ended up with about $25K each, about 20+ of them.

 It's definitely not just my complaints, other home owners share the same concern.  I heard of a similar case.  That's a pretty impressive outcome.  I'm about on the verge of filing a lawsuit against the owner, but I need to get certain things in place if I do go that route.  One officer suggested a petition with signatures of other residents that share the same concern, but I am unsure of how many signatures would even be required.  These type of issues are cumbersome.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Another potential resource to look into is a neighborhood association.

When I lived in San Jose, California, I was a member of my local neighborhood association. I would attend the monthly meeting from time to time (this was back when my entire net worth was in the equity of my house). Our elected representative on the city council would have his aide attend, who brought us the city hall news affecting the neighborhood (building permits, zoning changes, programs in the works) and would report back on the concerns we had. The wheels of government turn slowly.

One city-wide issue was graffiti, which prompted San Jose to implement a graffiti abatement program. But before that program was established, one of the neighborhood associations took the bull by the horns and offered a $100 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a graffiti artist. The law of unintended consequences took over when the 14-year-old doing the tagging turned himself in. The judge released him to the custody of his parents because he was a minor and that neighborhood association was legally obligated to pay the kid the $100 reward money.

It took me a few tries to figure out the system when I had to deal with my noisy neighbor here in Pensacola. Most of my life has been spent with people who want to get along with their neighbors. I hope I only had to deal with a one-time outlier, but time will tell.

Hi Roger: I'm in the process of establishing a neighborhood network, which is quite an involved process, but it is a necessity, as there is power in numbers. Some want to form an HOA, because the neighborhood is an older community, where there are still lots of original owners, but they are older and I know they are not all able-bodied as they're aging.

I've been going through comparing information as to what it would entail to have an HOA that impose the by-laws mainly consisting of the violations: noise. I already know and understand the hesitation that many have with HOA's, but I know there needs to be something in place at a community level that would help enforce the county ordinances.

I have my hands full trying to get the neighborhood network established, but with so many long-time residents sharing the same concerns, I know it will be ideal.  Before I lived here there was a neighborhood watch and there is a local restaurant that has been in the community for many years, they were able to pay for a building for a sherriff's annex, which has been sitting empty.  

I know there's a lot involved in this whole process, but it definitely needs to happen to help (hopefully) balance some things out.  Thanks for your advice, all of it is much appreciated.  

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

You might want to check out the free neighborhood-based social networking site Nextdoor.com.  I use the daily-digest emails to stay current on neighborhood-related concerns, including crime and safety.

Hi Roger. I have tried nextdoor, along with the other neighbors that I know have an issue with the ongoing noise and the issues in the community.  The one downside is airing those issues on that forum leaves us all privy to the culprits also seeing whatever is posted.  I may try it again.  Thanks for the suggestion, it's much appreciated.  

Originally posted by @Jim K.:

@Marie Withelidua

This will cost you about $400. Go on Craigslist and post a notice offering fifteen bucks an hour and lunch for men under 40 years of age and above 5'11" for 2 hours of casual labor. You should be able to get ten guys in on a specific day when you know they're home to accompany you on a walk over to their door to talk to these people. Do not make threats during that conversation.

 Although, me and my family were awakened again for the 50th time. I did call it in and I heard the officer out there talking to them. They truly don't care about waking people up, because none of them have jobs or very much education, so they don't have to be up to go anywhere. 

I definitely wouldn't use Craigslist, there are way too many unscrupulous people on there. I don't want to communicate any threats, I just want them to stop being loud and obnoxious. It's hard to reason with uncivilized people. They're used to their ways, because many people are passive and will allow that type of behavior.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:
My takeaways from my experiences are to be persistent and learn the rules of the system. Noise problems are symptomatic of larger issues. Municipalities have ordinances on the books, but getting them enforced can be a challenge because code enforcement people are understaffed and the police have strict rules they have to follow when responding to complaints. Sometimes the persistence has to rise to the level of becoming a community reform leader (New Worry for Home Buyers: A Party House Next Door), but the end outcome can be positive.

Roger: you're right, it definitely takes a lot of patience and persistence as I've learned more about the noise ordinance and how it works, the nuisance and abatement staff are severely under-staffed. I'm doing my due diligence in contacting all the other necessary parties to get things done.  I know my neighbors and I just want a peaceful environment that we all can co-exist and enjoy.  

Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

Instead of being neighborly and asking them to keep it down, you try to make a scene by passive agressively standing there and making wise *** comments.  You yell at them out the windows you see aid. You call the police 30 times etc, instead of having a civilized conversation with your neighbors.

 Your reply was funny that you'd assume that I should be the one to go out of my way to contact them and be neighborly, when they've never been the least bit courteous.  You obviously did not read, nor comprehend what i wrote - as to my reason for yelling out the window was due to the time of night that it was and the music was loud, but I guess you'd assume that I was supposed to get dressed and go talk to them.  There were no wise *** comments being made by me, you need to go re-read the actual post.

Originally posted by @Jim K.:

@Marie Withelidua

Clearly, you expect these people to respond well to guilt or shame. They obviously do not. They will respond to fear better. You need to inspire that fear.

 I honestly don't want invoke fear or the point of hostility from me and them. I'm a peaceful person overall and have always treated my home like my sanctuary up until things have progressively gotten to this point.

At this point, I do still want them to move, but I also don't want to tolerate what's become so increasingly common, so I will continue to press on with what needs to be done. 

A small (very small...minuscule) part of me wants to talk to her civily, but that decreasess every time there's another noise ordinance issue. However, in order to talk to someone civilly, you have to be talking to someone that is civil - so therein lies part of that quandary.

Regardless, I and the other owners that are closeby are tired of how things are going. We are going to get some other owners involved and meet with the nuisance and abatement officer and his lieutenant. 

It's ridiculous that any of this and all of the calling, and additional steps are necessary, but that seems to be the burden to bare living around those that don't respect themselves, much less others.

Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

"I did contact the building and inspections person. They sent someone out when none of them were home, which was amazing to me."

You must be persistent, if you are going to drop it without getting results you are not going to accomplish anything. You must make yourself a royal pain in the butt to force them to do their job. They will eventually act to make you go away.

Every time they are making noise after hours call the police. Again if you want results you must be persistent. You must report them every single time if you want results.

The goal of any public official is only to appear to do their job. You must force them to carry through.

 You're right, because I called again last night after midnight when the loud one was carrying on and I could hear the officer talking to her and her guests. 

I've long grown tired of feeling like I was on their schedule. I'll continue to be diligent. I spoke with the watch commander and they're very aware of the situation, so I asked if they'd do an area check in the evenings as another possible way to catch them in the act.

Originally posted by @Amy Beth:

Find out their names and report them to the public assistance office. It is likely they are not reporting the number of people there. Find out as many names as you can and then google the welfare fraud department and call or email them. They may lose their housing assistance this way and then they would have to move.

If you see any possible evidence of child abuse then call child protective services too. And continue to cal the police every time there is a noise infraction, even if you have to do it daily. Perhaps you can see some kind of violation to report to the city as well if they have damaged the property exterior or have a broken down care or trash build up outside.

And for your own sanity invest in good headphones until they are out.

Amy: Thanks, I will try that. I did look up some information and was able to get two out of the five adults names, so I'll start there. 

The nuisance and abatement officer said he's going to contact the inspections department on a wire hanging from the electrical meter on the side of the house to see if that'll prompt an inspection that will need to be done, which will have to get the owner directly involved. 

Then from there he'll see what he can do, but that's if an inspection would need to be done. He and I have been trying to figure out how he can either catch them in the act or what the next step would be. I'll try what you mentioned.