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All Forum Posts by: Lisa Hoyt

Lisa Hoyt has started 3 posts and replied 42 times.

Originally posted by @Allen Clark:

"But the risk of losing one month's rent is too traumatic to even think about."

Ummm, vacancies happen. If there is this much stress with churning the unit perhaps she should think about selling? It sounds like she is not cut out for being a landlord.

I do not see much of a conundrum here. I would wait until the tenants moved out. Then give it a thorough scrub and perhaps even paint. Then show it for higher rent. 

 You and I think alike.  It was her conundrum, not mine. Just that it's her house. I really appreciate your input.

Originally posted by @Richard C.:

$1695 is not outrageous for Malden, but there are certainly cheaper options.  So you need to at least consider price.

One thing I think you should look at, if you have had people interested enough to come look but decline to rent, is how your sister interacts with prospective tenants.  Do you advertise the house as owner-occupied?  For many, that is a plus.  But for many others, a definite negative.  So if they show up not realizing the owner lives on-site, and get a lot of intrusive-seeming questions, they may be turned off.  In the past, your sister has had a third party in between her and the prospective tenant to prevent this sort of problem.

 This is an excellent point.  She is going to ask a friend to assist with showings to give her a little more distance and not seem like a job interview.  And the reaction of on site landlord has been totally mixed from "awesome" to "I have never lived with a landlord onsite".

Originally posted by @Stephen Haynes:

Well Stated @Richard C. 

Couldn't agree with you more.

 Thanks for your input.  Sister agrees with you too. And it's her house.

Originally posted by @Richard C.:

I don't agree that lowering the rent results in lower-quality tenants.  The opposite is usually true.

Smart people will try to get the best value they can.  The most apartment for the least money.  Well-qualified tenants have lots of choices, just like well-qualified car buyers can walk into any dealership and buy a car.  So people who will willingly pay at the top of the market for an apartment are usually doing so because they do not have a lot of choices.  Like a car buyer who has to buy at a "buy-here, pay-here" place.

 Sister is with you on this.  She is thrifty by nature, always looking for the best deal, so she is hopeful that she will attract like minded people looking for value, and she will have more of a qualified field of choices.  Thanks for weighing in on this.  Do you think I have reached out enough advertising?  Am I missing some other avenue?  The local papers don't seem to have an impact, we have had LOTS of inquiries via Zillow, Trulia, CL and HotPads.  Am I missing something?

Originally posted by @Stephen Haynes:

Thats A HUGE DROP I would drop it $45 to 1650 for two weeks if traffic still seems to be low then drop it another 50 to 1600. I have drop the rent $25 before and it Made all the difference and I got overrun with applicants.

 I am totally with you on this, but it's her house and she has to make the call that she can live with.  I really wanted her to wait it out, clean it up and I am SURE she can get what she wants.  But the risk of losing one month's rent is too traumatic to even think about.  She is dropping 6k tomorrow to convert from oil to gas heat, so her costs right now are scaring her.

Waiting 2 weeks with a lower price would still mean it was empty on October 1 which is her self imposed deadline for rental.  But if it was empty, and she cleaned it up, I am sure she could get more $$.  A conundrum.  Thanks for your input!

Originally posted by @Aaron Wyssmann:

I agree with most of what has been said but I have definitely found that when the old tenants "stuff" is still in the property, people have a hard time seeing past that and how their "stuff" would go in the unit.  A vacant, clean unit is always much easier for me to rent. A drop in the rent of $45 at this point in my opinion isn't going to do much.  It may get you some more interest but again if the old tenants haven't moved out then it will still be hard.

Now is a bit tougher time of year now that schools are back in session but with it being a 2 bedroom you should still have some interest from those that don't have kids and are typically good to move at any time.

When are they moving out?  

 They are moving out before October 1, I have asked her to clarify exact date with them.

She wants me to drop the rent to $1575 ASAP and relist and hope she has a bigger pool of interest of qualified people. I asked her to have a Plan B ready, and if it still doesn't rent,  to plan on cleaning it up and having open houses starting the first weekend of October and consider the loss of one month's rent as part of the learning curve. (Apparently she could have listed in August but talked to a broker who convinced her it was too early to list.  So she waited until September, told me about it right when I started following BP and so here we are...)

Originally posted by @Neal Collins:

Is the unit vacant right now? It could be the place doesn't show well with a lot of stuff cluttering it if it isn't. I agree that your response rate seems fine.

As to your inquiries about lead based paint...don't bring that up during a property tour. You will need to disclose it but considering that so many places have lead based paint this isn't really something you need to highlight on a property tour. If they have kids then it's a nice heads up, but other wise there is a time and place for that. 

 Current tenants are moving out "by the end of the month".  I have asked her to clarify that with them.

As for lead paint, MA is uber picky about how that is disclosed and most ads for pre 1978 construction state whether they have a lead certificate or not.  Having a certificate seems to be code for "we take section 8", you would think that not having one would imply NO section 8, but it doesn't seem to work that way.

Originally posted by @JD Martin:

You said:

(It will show a lot better when empty of all of the, um, "stuff" belonging to current tenants.)

I would suspect this has at least something to do with your problem. It is not the greatest time of year to find tenants, either, as most stable people move in late spring through the summer. 

How much of the problem is actually your sister being dissatisfied with her potential neighbors? Being super picky is a good way to not have any tenants. I can honestly say that I see things at my tenant's houses that are not the way I would want to live, but as long as they're not doing damage to the property or creating a health hazard and/or nuisance for the neighborhood, or doing anything illegal, I don't say anything, and these are not low-income people.  

 I would say she is not super picky - she really liked 2 of the 3 applicants and could see them living there.  I think lack of non-street parking is an issue, but this is common in the area.  Her current tenants are not at all slovenly, just have a lot of (nice) stuff, literally stuffed in there.  Like the contents of a house, shoved into a 2 BR apartment. I think it would show BEAUTIFULLY - empty.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Lisa Hoyt Welcome to BP! You are correct and you are certainly doing everything correct. As a PM, sometimes I rent places out to the perfect tenant within 24 hours, sometimes, it seems to be lesser qualified tenants.  Keep her calm and patient and it will work out.

 Thanks Nick - I think because she actually lives there it is more stressful than if she lived somewhere else, more pressure to find good tenant without issues, noise, constant showers/laundry, etc.

Originally posted by @Chris K.:

I don't really understand why she's freaking out, seems pretty normal. How long have you been looking for a tenant? Yes it would definitely be better to have it vacant than with a bad tenant. You said 10 of them seemed qualified, what happened with them?

 Two parties came to look at it, seemed all excited about living there, took applications, were to get back to me, when I followed up, no reply.  Others have set up appointment and then left messages saying they would "reschedule" or "family problem" or no reason, and then not reply. A third party came with her prospective roommate, said they qualified, but application process showed otherwise - no where near the income. From all of the tools - her price is actually under current market and she is willing to lower the rent, but that would look even more attractive to people with vouchers and because of lead paint she would not qualify. Of course it could mean finding the perfect tenant who didn't apply before because of income qualification.