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All Forum Posts by: Chris L.

Chris L. has started 11 posts and replied 333 times.

Post: Are you open minded?

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Arnie,

Sounds like you have a plan that is working well for you.  That is excellent.

I have not done any civilian flying so if you have your own airplane that is awesome.  

Thanks for sharing and best wishes to you.

Chris

Post: Are you open minded?

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

@Tyler Flagg Looks like you are off to a great start.  Keep up the great work.

@Justin Ashton One of the mistakes that I made several times over the years was assuming that I knew what was going to happen going forward.  I read articles that would reinforce my thinking.  After taking some rather large losses over the years because of that process, I now try to be more observant and also seek out views contrary to my own so that I challenge my current strategy.  That is one of the reasons that I say I am always open to listening to new opportunities.  That has a multi-faceted benefit.  1.  I might find a new opportunity that I had overlooked.  2.  If not, I have another comparison for my current strategy.  I know that does not help in answering your question for the forward looking crystal ball but hopefully that helps on my thinking.  Good luck to you.

Post: Are you open minded?

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Hi Elizabeth,

Thank you and your husband for your service.  I know that my wife shared equally in my 28 yrs of military service which included 25 yrs of flying the F-16 .

When I say open to new opportunities, I should clarify that I am always open to evaluating new opportunities.  Obviously, I do not take action on every one but I enjoy having my thoughts and limits stretched by new concepts.

I am now creating a list for our next ventures. 

Thank you for all of the sharing that you do here on Bigger Pockets.

You are definitely a giver.

Post: Are you open minded?

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Are you open minded?

I have had several conversations recently with BP members and during the conversation I mentioned that I was always open to looking at any and all opportunities. Reflecting upon this statement, I realized how seldom I get that response back from other people.

I am writing this post with the goal to provide some lessons that I have learned from almost four decades of investing experience. I made my first investment in 1977 at the age of 15. I worked a construction job for my Uncle and had saved enough money to purchase a lot. With the assistance of my Uncle, I secured financing for constructing a small single family home. I supervised every part of the process and did much of the work myself. I made $6000 which I turned into another construction lot and a car. I repeated the process and sold the second house prior to departing for the US Air Force Academy in 1979. Here are some of the lessons that I have learned over the past 37 plus years of investing.

Lesson #1: Don’t reach broad conclusions based upon a small sample size.

After entering the Air Force Academy, I used the profit from my second house for a down payment on 5 acres in my home town. I had planned to subdivide and eventually build on those lots. I sacrificially made the payments on that property while I was a cadet and eventually paid off the mortgage for the property soon after graduation. I would sell those 5 acres ten years later for the same price that I paid. Because of that experience, I avoided real estate investing until 2003. Can you say “Big Mistake?” Although I was still investing in mutual fund and stocks, I missed out on some great real estate opportunities in those years.

Lesson #2: Be flexible to changing market conditions:

I became an instructor pilot in gliders while I was at the Academy. We would often use rising pockets of warm air called “thermals” to extend our flying time. One day while I was “Thermalling”, I was spending more time enjoying the scenery and not enough detail to my flight conditions. When a “thermal” collapses, the warm updraft can quickly turn into a strong down draft. The thermal collapsed on me that day and I did not recognize that situation for some period of time. I was lucky to make it back to the airfield that day. I have made a similar mistake multiple times in my investing career. I will share just one of those examples. In 2003, my wife and I decided to jump back into the real estate market. We purchased a vacation rental and 8 duplexes. Our vacation rental did so well that we eventually built three more finishing our fourth vacation rental in the summer of 2007. We had offers to sell our vacation rentals in the summer of 2007 that would have resulted in a 400K profit prior to taxes. As gasoline prices reached $4 per gallon that fall followed by the ensuing recession, the vacation market crumbled. We are now in contract to sell our final remaining vacation rental next month. What could have been a 400K profit has turned into a 300K loss. To state this in another way, what is working now may not always work in the future. Pay close attention to changes in your market and be prepared to make appropriate adjustments.

Lesson #3: Know what you are trying to achieve

I always knew that I was striving for financial independence which I define as the time when your passive income meets or exceeds your required expenses. I achieved that in 1998 through a combination of investments, business income, and low expenses. I left the active duty Air Force at the 15 year point of my career. Many called me crazy but I will not take the time here to share how vital that decision was to my family. I would eventually join the Air National Guard and serve another 13 years: however, I did that because I wanted to and not because I required the income. Know your personal priorities and ensure that your strategy is helping you support the attainment of those goals and objectives.

Lesson #4: Multiple streams of Income

I am a big believer in creating multiple income sources. One of the important income streams that I created in the 1990’s that was essential to my leaving the Active Duty Air Force did not survive. Had I relied solely on that income, I would have been required to find a job to pay for our lifestyle. Today, my wife and I own a portfolio of rental properties which provides our financial independence. I am also working on several other business projects as well. One of those projects is a renewable energy company that I invested in several years ago. This past summer, the owner asked if I could put some time to help on the project. It is very rewarding to be in a position to help because I want to and not because I need to.

Lesson #5: Be a giver

Share your wisdom freely with others but be wise enough to know when you are the one who should be doing the listening.

Lesson #6: Use your resources wisely

It has become common lately to talk about working smarter not harder. In my experience, you are going to have to work smart and HARD if you are going to achieve financial independence prior to traditional retirement age. Your most important resource is your time. Ensure that you are allocating your efforts wisely. By being on Bigger Pockets, you are already light years ahead of me in my early years of investing. I learned much of what I know through trial and error. You can avoid many of the mistakes that I have made just by being a part of Bigger Pockets but understand that there will be many hours of hard work ahead of you on the road to financial independence.

Lesson #7: Keep an open Mind

I am continually startled by those that have nothing and yet are not open to making changes. I challenge you to analyze your thinking to ensure that you are not overlooking opportunities by being closed minded. As I continue to expand my network of business owners and entrepreneurs, I am amazed at the vast number of opportunities for creating and maintaining wealth.

I wish all of you a prosperous and joyous future.

Post: Buying Portfolio 25 houses.

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Hi Anil,

I have previously been in your position with a bad property management company.  

You have correctly identified your number one need of finding competent property management.  My philosophy is that I would not take houses for free if I did not have a property management company that I trusted.

You might check your local REI meeting for property management company recommendations.

Andy,

First let me say congratulations for your financial position.  You are well on your way to becoming financially independent.  You have a great position to start from.

Second, I always advise new investors to "measure twice and cut once" when getting started.  I urge you very strongly to not be in a hurry to jump into a real estate investment until you have done your requisite study.

Bigger Pockets is a great place to start your study.

If you have never flipped before, I recommend that you connect with someone in your area before you experiment. Join an REI and get plenty of references prior to committing any of your assets.

Ultimately, you have to determine your goals.  

Do you want to become a full time real estate investor flipping houses or do you want to be a hands off landlord with a property management company to handle your issues.  Or some combination of the two.

Once you define your goals, your strategy should support the attainment of those goals.

Chris

Post: How do you analyze a Single Fam Buy & Hold?

Chris L.Posted
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  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Hi Kevin,

That does not produce a great cash flow especially if you consider the potential appreciation.

For example, let's say that you can sell it for 180K and then walk away with a 50K tax free profit (if you live there for at least 2 yrs),  In addition to your 50K in profits, you would have an additional 20K in principle pay down over that first 2 yrs as well giving you 70K to invest.

As a rental, your $1100 per month in rent yields an after expense income of $550 (using the 50% rule).  You now have to pay your mortgage for the next 8 yrs which yields a negative cash flow during that time frame.

My calculation is that you could take your 70K in cash from this investment and either repeat the process or find another investment.

Post: How do you analyze a Single Fam Buy & Hold?

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Kevin,

It sounds like you are going to live there for a while and then turn into a rental.

What is your goal for the property?  Are you in this for future cash flow or appreciation?

It sounds like it will be a cheap place to live for a period of time.  After that, you should determine what your exit strategy will be.

Once you have lived there, you need to determine if the best use of the funds will be to sell or keep as a rental.

Good luck

Post: How do YOU view debt???

Chris L.Posted
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  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Hi Karen,

This is a great topic and one that has been discussed before in a Kiyosaki vs Ramsey debate.

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/9025...

I have taught the Ramsey course at church multiple times even thought I disagree with him on several issues.  He is an entertaining and excellent teacher.

For many years, I was a "debt free" advocate but I have modified my position and really like a 4 step criteria that Ron Blue uses for determining whether or not to go into debt.

Ron Blue's 4 step criteria are:

Does it make Economic Sense?

Are both spouses free from Anxiety?

Can it be undertaken with Spiritual Peace of mind?

What goals are being met that can only be met by going into debt?

I now utilize debt when I have a substantial spread between what I can conservatively earn on an investment vs what I can borrow the money from a lending institution.  The wisdom is in knowing when you have a conservative spread.

I will give you an example. I have owned SFR's since 2008. Until 2012, I paid cash and had a nice collection of properties. In 2012, I was presented a opportunity to buy an existing portfolio of 42 homes. That would double my inventory but I did not have enough cash to buy the entire package. I went to a local bank and got a portfolio loan at 4.875% on a 15yr amortization with a 5yr ARM feature.

When I went through the math, I was making 12-15% on my rentals that I had paid cash for.  My cash on cash return on the package of 42 was almost 25%.  When I factored in the principal pay down, my total return increased to almost 35% and that was just the first year of paying down the loan.

I have since purchased two more packages utilizing loans.  I also buy houses for cash as well.  So, I still utilize both strategies.

Good luck with your decision

Post: Out of State Investing

Chris L.Posted
  • Investor
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 391
  • Votes 257

Hi Eric,

I have owned property in Indianapolis and Ft Wayne.  I like the Ft Wayne market predominately because of the property management team that I utilize.  Ft Wayne has not had the national and international exposure like Indianapolis so the price to rent ratios are generally better.  

As I stated earlier, the most important criteria for holding rentals to me is the property management company.