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All Forum Posts by: Levi T.

Levi T. has started 67 posts and replied 1330 times.

Post: Real Estate Market the next few months?

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
  • Votes 1,322
Originally posted by @Michael Plante:

Will NOT cool down 

if anything prices will go up even more 

Especially after August 

What happens in August to support that theory? (Just curious) 

Post: Beaten by Cash Buyers Club

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
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Just because someone makes a cash offer, don’t mean they closed with cash. It’s easy to keep cash around on paper, and secure banking funding before closing. It’s just a hurdle.. If one fails, then they better have the cash, or lose the deposit.. 

Post: Do small private landlords qualify for a PPP loan?

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
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Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Levi T.:
Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Levi T.:
Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Levi T.:
Originally posted by @Sakib J.:

@Levi T.

Thnx. Just doesn’t seem fair that I get another loan while the tenant stays free!

Unless you forgive it, it’s still due, thus it’s a loan. When the time arrives, evict, and as long as you have their SS, DOB, and a written lease, kick it up to someone like Hunter Warfield for collections. They’ll get your money eventually!

"they'll get your money eventually"

No they won't.  I've sent about $5m to collections.  I haven't run the numbers but I'd be shocked if we see 1% of it.

I'd happy sell my bad debt for $.05 on the dollar if anyone wants it.   

You are correct that most landlord papers only get between 1 to 3%. I only know this because the collection company I use, informed me that we collected 19% last year, and 20% this year so far. They also told me they had only one other client that collects more we do. We are working hard to improve that process daily. Every portfolio is different, and there are companies out there that would be happy to buy your paper.

I've had collections companies telling me they could get 20%+  And they'll split it with me.  So I said "then just pay me 5%, that way you make 2x the amount"

Never had a taker.

If you know someone that'll just buy the bad debt I'd go that direction.  I've never looked into it.  Have any names?

 Sure, I’ll ask my guy for a referral, but before that: does all your leases have signers and co-signers DOB, SS, last known phone, etc?


Also add collection terms for legal fees, collection cost, state level interest rates. For example, if we kick our lease to collection, whatever the debt is, gets 50% tacked into it for collection legal fees on the front end, and 6% APR after that.. I think Texas allows 10%.

We have their app, which would have DOB/ss/phone.  most don't have co-signers.   We normally accelerate rent but we don't put on all the other fees are most of the time when we get anythign it's from them reaching out to the person and getting them to settle for some low %

 Ok. I’ll ask him.

When we do the move out disposition letter, we tell them they have 30 days to pay it, or it goes to collections at 50% higher. We have everything in the letter, damages, turnover fees, etc. 30 days later we tack on 50% to the balance as legal cost for collection fee, and kick it out the doors to collections, running at 6% on top of that. They can quickly go from 3k to 4.5k, quicker than you can blink. After that, if they pay it in collections before it hits their credit, your still are getting 2.7k. If that fails, let the collection people do their thing for 12 month, then have it turned over to an attorney for garnishment, BUT, have the attorney offer the old tenant 40% of the debt, if they pay it in full before court. Even the hardest of tenants normally pay it, as they know we are coming for their paychecks, accounts, tax returns, etc, once we are in court. You still (mostly) win what was owed at square one if you do the math. 

Post: Do small private landlords qualify for a PPP loan?

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
  • Votes 1,322
Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Levi T.:
Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Levi T.:
Originally posted by @Sakib J.:

@Levi T.

Thnx. Just doesn’t seem fair that I get another loan while the tenant stays free!

Unless you forgive it, it’s still due, thus it’s a loan. When the time arrives, evict, and as long as you have their SS, DOB, and a written lease, kick it up to someone like Hunter Warfield for collections. They’ll get your money eventually!

"they'll get your money eventually"

No they won't.  I've sent about $5m to collections.  I haven't run the numbers but I'd be shocked if we see 1% of it.

I'd happy sell my bad debt for $.05 on the dollar if anyone wants it.   

You are correct that most landlord papers only get between 1 to 3%. I only know this because the collection company I use, informed me that we collected 19% last year, and 20% this year so far. They also told me they had only one other client that collects more we do. We are working hard to improve that process daily. Every portfolio is different, and there are companies out there that would be happy to buy your paper.

I've had collections companies telling me they could get 20%+  And they'll split it with me.  So I said "then just pay me 5%, that way you make 2x the amount"

Never had a taker.

If you know someone that'll just buy the bad debt I'd go that direction.  I've never looked into it.  Have any names?

 Sure, I’ll ask my guy for a referral, but before that: does all your leases have signers and co-signers DOB, SS, last known phone, etc?


Also add collection terms for legal fees, collection cost, state level interest rates. For example, if we kick our lease to collection, whatever the debt is, gets 50% tacked into it for collection legal fees on the front end, and 6% APR after that.. I think Texas allows 10%.

Post: Do small private landlords qualify for a PPP loan?

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
  • Votes 1,322
Originally posted by @Cody L.:
Originally posted by @Levi T.:
Originally posted by @Sakib J.:

@Levi T.

Thnx. Just doesn’t seem fair that I get another loan while the tenant stays free!

Unless you forgive it, it’s still due, thus it’s a loan. When the time arrives, evict, and as long as you have their SS, DOB, and a written lease, kick it up to someone like Hunter Warfield for collections. They’ll get your money eventually!

"they'll get your money eventually"

No they won't.  I've sent about $5m to collections.  I haven't run the numbers but I'd be shocked if we see 1% of it.

I'd happy sell my bad debt for $.05 on the dollar if anyone wants it.   

You are correct that most landlord papers only get between 1 to 3%. I only know this because the collection company I use, informed me that we collected 19% last year, and 20% this year so far. They also told me they had only one other client that collects more we do. We are working hard to improve that process daily. Every portfolio is different, and there are companies out there that would be happy to buy your paper.

Post: Snowshoe, WV STR Advise!

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
  • Votes 1,322

I owned a cabin down the hill in Slaty Fork, just past the gas station, for a while. It did good. Paid for itself and profited 10k per year, but you got to watch out for collage kids who want to party hard. Debbi Goodwin is great PM for off mountain rentals, snowshoerentals.com. Snowshoe keeps a tight grip on the condo rentals, and they do rent well. I’ve spent more than a decade biking and skiing out there, so I know it well, so if you have questions..

Post: Seeking partnership for 186-unit purchase

Levi T.Posted
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  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
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What is the current T12 NOI, vacancy and delinquency rate, condition of properties?

Post: Why push the BRRRR so hard

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
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Originally posted by @Matthew Irish-Jones:

@Levi T. Case and point Levi. You have been at it over a decade and seem to have business systems built and a ton of experience. Those are fairly key ingredients in making this strategy work.

Did you have any trouble on your first BRRRR? Or can you share some experiences where it did not go well?

This whole post is in support of the BRRRR strategy if you fully understand the risk.

I think you covered that in your opening post rather well. I just wanted to highlight the element that people need to not look for big construction projects, but instead look for cheap deals.

I started with rentals in war zones, and spent far to many cold winter nights knee deep in raw sewage and flooded basements to count how many mistakes I have made over the years.. Just as much as I am likely working on a few new mistakes as we speak.

We only make mistakes when the conditions are not just right. If you buy it cheap enough, you can afford a lot of mistakes!

Post: Why push the BRRRR so hard

Levi T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
  • Votes 1,322
Originally posted by @Matthew Irish-Jones:

@Levi T. Yeah great point. Those types of deals are hard to find though.

Usually the most equity add opportunities are in the larger rehab projects, which naturally equates to a higher risk situation.

Agreed, it takes a lot of work to find those deals. I’m closing around 5 of them every 90 days or less, so it’s doable. That upfront work is far cheaper than the ladder. 

Post: Why push the BRRRR so hard

Levi T.Posted
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  • Tucson AZ / Nice FR
  • Posts 1,358
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@Matthew Irish-Jones I have been at this for over a decade. The amount of wealth it has created has allowed me to move from single family properties, all the way to 100+ multi family value add deals.. The mistake I see people make is expecting to buy a property that needs big construction rehab, like what you see on HGTV, and that's all wrong. The goal is to buy it for cheaper than it's worth with as little work as possible, not buy it and make it worth more. Case in point, I bought a house recently for 130k, it appraised as is for 300k. I sent a carpet install, painter, and had a handyman do some basic with lightbulb and such, then had a cleaning lady wrap it all up. My cost was not even 5k. I then proceeded to refi it a month later for 150k, and rent it out for $1,850. When folks buy pigs and try to turn them into unicorns, that's when they can get in trouble with BRRR.