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All Forum Posts by: Leslie Anne Morris

Leslie Anne Morris has started 3 posts and replied 1252 times.

Post: Modeling Future Occupancy and Rates for STRs

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982
Quote from @Pierre E.:

@Leslie Anne Morris

When did you get into investing in Pigeon forge? It seems like everyone is there and it is saturated?

Bought two in 2022. Doing a few rehab / remodels first half of 2023 and a couple flips later half. 

Post: Modeling Future Occupancy and Rates for STRs

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982
Quote from @Pierre E.:

@Leslie Anne Morris

When did you get into investing in Pigeon forge? It seems like everyone is there and it is saturated?

2019

Post: Modeling Future Occupancy and Rates for STRs

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982

I buy stuff based off of my portfolio performance and historical market conditions. Of course I had to do something to get to that point. I’d recommend working with an agent who is also an investor in the market you’re considering. When I got invested in Pigeon Forge I was able to access historical rental reports that the city puts out because it’s a vacation market and they track that sort of thing. 

Post: What would you do?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982
Quote from @Michael Baum:

It would be a pass for me. I applaud @Leslie Anne Morris for kicking a$$ on her purchase, but sometimes that just isn't possible. You would have to see if it is something you could replicate.

Thank you sir (in my best cabin lady southern accent) 🤠

Post: What would you do?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:
Quote from @Leslie Anne Morris:
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:

This happened to us as well.... loan changing due to a negative appraisal, etc. 

We let the property go, got our EM back and haven't regretted it once!

Different scenario. You are so lucky! I couldn’t do that in my case. Thankfully I made the right choices and it all worked out for me. 
Sorry I just now read your comment....my goodness what a story! I agree with your thought of making the property into something extraordinary to make up the difference, that seems to work if you have the funds on hand to add those "extras".
We had a financing contingency so that's what saved us. We literally backed out the day before that contingency ended; it was so close!

 Oh!!! Ha ha ok. Got it. It notified me and I thought it was a reply to my comment specifically. 

Post: What would you do?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982
Quote from @Sarah Kensinger:

This happened to us as well.... loan changing due to a negative appraisal, etc. 

We let the property go, got our EM back and haven't regretted it once!

Different scenario. You are so lucky! I couldn’t do that in my case. Thankfully I made the right choices and it all worked out for me. 

Post: What is my best strategy to start STR with $1M cash?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982

I didn’t read all the answers because I’m literally boarding a flight. But, I would do the smallest down payment that I was personally comfortable with. Get into one deal. Get your feet wet. 

In order to pick market you can either go with what excites you or go with top performance metrics (see my bias here). 

If beach resonants and will add some additional satisfaction and quality of life stuff then do it. It would be more like a lifestyle asset. 

If you plan to self manage get a coach and pay to learn. Don’t mess around with teaching yourself. Keep the remaining cash as cash reserves for now, maybe do some forced appreciation or value add and get the property that’s in the best location with the lowest price per sq ft. Get an agent who is also an investor in the exact thing you are looking to buy who has a good performance record. 

Do it for a minute and make sure it works - weeks / months / years - you’ll know. Then 10x in same market since now you have your process and team. OR you could pivot to another market but only if that will bring you personal satisfaction and you won’t be self managing. That’s my two cents!

Post: What would you do?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982

I’ll go against popular belief here and tell you my recent deal. Dec 2022. Paid top of market price, ended up with 10% rate at closing table - couldn’t back out. No contingency would allow that. Would have been in breech of contract. Closed. Forced appreciation - this is key - had my remodel / rehab team kill it in design and value add.

But then literally two months later a drunk driver hit my cabin. Tragic. No cash flow for 2 months. Insurance kicked in thank goodness - interviewing my agent on YouTube tomorrow.
So then we are back up and running and it’s literally all rainbows. Just filmed an episode of a massively popular TV show there. I signed an NDA so can’t disclose what it is yet but it will be airing soon. 

July did awesome but it’s my first super good month unfortunately and I had stayed there a week with my family.

Anyways, that’s my story. The key for you to takeaway would be the forced appreciation / value add. Focus on what you can do and not what you can’t. Fear will have you back out. Do keep in mind though that you’re going to need cash and cash reserves to weather that storm. So for that reason it may not be for you. Only you can decide. 

Post: Do Modern Cabins Outperform in Pigeon Forge / Gatlinburg?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982
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Mountain View’s first and foremost. Then if it’s new and fancy versus rustic and older of course the new ones will perform better. 


 In my opinion, a cabin on an actual rushing creek (not a trickling one) is above the Mountain View. Those properties are extremely rare to find though and the premium paid now may not be worth it.

And flood zone. I have 2

Do you have a link to book them? My family visits and enjoys staying in true creekfront properties and difficult to find.  

Sure joshscabins.com. Mine aren’t true Creek front but close enough to be in the flood zone. One is the Dolly house that my team just did that was shared on Biggerpockets social media a few times. 

Insurance isn’t too much in flood zones. I have one waterfront and I think it’s around $500. I paid $500 a square foot last year and my cash on cash the last 12 months is 37 percent. I’d love to get more of these but they are difficult to find on market. 

 
are you advising clients to sell their properties in this market?

Agree it’s not that much, but it is another cost. No definitely not. This is a buy and hold business. I do free consults to see if there is room for ROI improvement. I have multiple ways to help investors who own cabins that are struggling. I own a property management company and a remodeling / rehab / cabin design company. The last option would be to sell. 

Post: Do I need a management company?

Leslie Anne MorrisPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Smoky Mountains, TN
  • Posts 1,261
  • Votes 982

You're teaching yourself another job. Self managing STR isn't passive real estate investing. It's a hospitality business. It can be done of course, particularly if you're only 3 hours away. Once I hit 5 cabins that I owned I created a property management company. So if you plan to scale get a PM.