Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Lesley Resnick:
There is often a gap in the market between what a flip strategy requires to be profitable and and buy and hold. I prefer to buy my properties needing a little something, they tend to go at a discount. The home owners think it is ugly and the flippers can't make anything on it. Creates a nice opportunity gap.
As far as your pricing, taking the comps and subtracting what it takes to make the property similar to the comped property. Is a flawed approach. You can not make a straight line assessment like that. Sometime a deal works and sometimes it does not. Unless the market supports the price, I would not advise my clients to offer 50% off the listing price. You are going to insult them and they will most likely not even respond. At that level, you are in the wholesale market of, "my hair is on fire" and I need to get rid of the property today.
I know a lot of people say offer what you think you want it doesn't matter what others think. I've often seen others speak of offering 30k less than list and describing the look from the agent/seller as "gastly".
I'm of the mine set that I'm trying to learn "how" to best structure a deal. I've also seen a lot of properties sit for months on end and finally get to a price that I would have offered before all those months passed - and they sell at that much lower price.
Please then enlighten me on what you say is a "flawed" approach. I've been asking "how" do I go about getting an offer price - one gentleman gave me his take on this earlier and I'm looking at just how to get to a price. Why is a flip that uses ARV ok but not a rehab that will be kept as a hold?
After Repair Value is a great metric for investors, but what does that have to do with the seller? It is a negotiation. There is no one right answer or magic bullet, it is more art than science. What is something worth? Not a penny more than someone is willing to buy it for or sell it for.
In my opinion the key to pricing is research and understanding the seller.
How long has been on the market?
Has it been under contract?
In pre foreclosure?
What is the seller's motivation for selling?
Based on the seller, you can make an offer that makes sense. I am not sure the strategy of just offer 50% off everything is a very efficient use of ones time. If I can not get the deal at a good price, I will move on. There is always another deal.
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