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All Forum Posts by: Leon Lee

Leon Lee has started 88 posts and replied 283 times.

Post: MTR vs. STR

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67

Hi BPers! 

I have some short-term rentals, and occasionally, a few of these have turned into mid-term rentals when rented out for several months. I appreciate the ease of management that comes with mid-term rentals, but I have some concerns. For one, the rental income tends to be lower than with short-term stays due to the necessary discounts, yet we still face most of the usual costs, aside from savings on cleaning and supplies. Additionally, each deep clean after a mid-term stay costs around $300 or more, which almost negates the financial benefit of the mid-term rental model. Repairs after tenants move out also are significantly higher. 

I'm curious about everyone's thoughts on the pros and cons of mid-term rentals versus short-term rentals. profit margin on STR is getting thinner, and I'm interested in exploring other strategies. I'd love to hear from those with more experience to see if my observations align with yours and if there are tips for managing costs or maximizing the benefits of mid-term rentals.

Thanks!

Lee

Post: What is your smoking policy for STRs in Cities

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Carolyn Fuller:

My STR is in a city where it is legal in private but not in public. My STR has a private backyard so I am able to treat it the same as cigarettes - outside only

Carolyn,


All these properties have backyards, so I'm puzzled as to why weed smoking has become so popular, and why guests don't even bother to go outside to smoke. I'm just trying to get a sense of how common this issue has become and how other STR hosts in urban areas are handling it.



Post: What is your smoking policy for STRs in Cities

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Garrett Brown:

I have not had that issue. I would imagine putting language in the rules about tampering or removal is a fine similar to how hotels do. But, then you get the joy of proving that the guest did that in a tampering way and not "accidentally". Is it possible to hide it some or out of reach? You can still make it known that it's in there.


I just checked Amazon but couldn’t find it. I wanted to look at the reviews to see if it’s worth trying. Another question: Have you noticed any change in income for the property since the policy was implemented? If this is becoming common in certain areas, do you think it might deter a significant percentage of potential guests?

Post: What is your smoking policy for STRs in Cities

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Garrett Brown:

People have definitely gotten smarter with the cleanup and I had the same problem in one of my units. I have a Wynd sensor in my units (mention that we have it and it's 99.9% accurate in our emails), put it in my house rules that it is a $250 fine, and have a sign small above the detector with the same language. I do a lot of direct bookings that take security deposits, but with Airbnb, they are always tough. I have not had an issue until this week on Airbnb and I'm going to use the Wynd data as evidence since there was no physical evidence so we will see. I have an ozone machine on hand, and if there is no same-day check-in, then it's easy to solve usually. 


Do guests ever remove or unplug the Dynd sensor to avoid a fine? I used to have a Minute sensor (for noise monitoring) in a unit located in a rough part of town, and guests would simply take it down.

Post: What is your smoking policy for STRs in Cities

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67

Hi, BPers,

I’m curious about how you handle weed smoking in your STRs. It seems like almost every young guest in my units ends up smoking weed inside the house. They’re getting smarter about it too—trying to clean up any residue so there’s no visible evidence, though the smell still lingers.

I currently have a $350 fine for smoking inside, including weed. However, with the frequent incidents and the persistent odor, even after cleaning, I’m beginning to wonder if this has become the norm for STRs in urban areas.

Any advice or tips on how to prevent this would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Lee

Post: Short term rentals utilities included?

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67

Utility bills can increase significantly if guests stay for months during hot summers or cold winters. To manage this, find the average electricity, water, and gas usage in your area. In the contract, state that if usage exceeds 120% of the average, the guest will be responsible for the extra cost. This strategy can help reduce utility expenses.

Mid-term and short-term rentals can have utility costs up to 10% of gross income, including electricity, water, gas, cable, lawn care, and pest control. Set pricing appropriately to ensure the business remains sustainable.

Post: Seeking Advice on Next Steps for My Real Estate Focus

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Gino Barbaro:

@Leon Lee

Ultimately, you should do what you feel passion for.  I would consider doing both. Take the profits from the AirBnb and roll them into apartments.

Apartments may take longer to create equity, but I'd rather do one 50 unit deal than several smaller deals. And I don't think there is a hands free Airbnb business out there. There is no hands free businesses out there period.

There are some differences between both niches, not many, but some very important ones. Financing and deal flow are two key differences!

You've got a great problem on your hands!

Gino

Gino

Thank you for your inputs! They make a lot of sense. I have decided to do both. I enjoy visuals and management, which got me started on Airbnb. I'm fascinated by the economy of scale and OPM in apartment syndication, but I never had the opportunity to learn firsthand. Another reason is that I see both niches as means to serve my true passion in life.

Thanks again
Lee

Post: Seeking Advice on Next Steps for My Real Estate Focus

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67

@Prashant P. @Brandon Vukelich

I'm glad I asked! I should keep my current Airbnb portfolio while expanding into apartment syndication with a team. This will diversify risks and allow me to learn about the economy of scale in apartment syndications first hand. Thank you all for the insights.

@Brandon Vukelich: I totally agree: STRs provide the cash flow I need, but policy risks and market saturation make me want to diversify. Scaling up STRs, where many small things can go wrong and no one will care about your house as you do, is also quite challenging.

Thanks again!
Lee

Post: Seeking Advice on Next Steps for My Real Estate Focus

Leon LeePosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 285
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Justin Brickman:

I would go with option 1. But there are many different personal factors that you would want to consider, which may make it difficult to get helpful answers on here


Justin,

Thank you for the inputs! I wonder what other major factors you would consider if you were me? Obviously, everyone will have a different answer here, but I would like to hear your (and everyone's) thoughts on important factors and thought processes.

Thanks,

Lee