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All Forum Posts by: Lawrence Paul

Lawrence Paul has started 24 posts and replied 72 times.

Post: 4th Property - Pay off or wait 2 years?

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

If you have 5 to 10 homes in your portfolio, it is possible to get a mortgage, but it can be difficult.

  • In 2009, Fannie Mae increased the maximum financed-property limit from four to ten.
  • Most banks won’t offer a 5-to-10 properties mortgage because the process of underwriting the investor’s mortgage application can be very hard work.
  • To finance a home via Fannie Mae’s 5-1o Properties program, there are many criteria that must be met, including a minimum credit score of 720, substantial down payment requirements (for purchasing) and equity (for refinancing), no bankruptcies or foreclosures in the past 7 years, and more.

Real estate investor mortgages

In 2009, Fannie Mae rolled back a mortgage rule that prevented real estate investors from financing more than 4 properties at once.

At the time, investors were limited to 4 properties financed, which included their primary residence.

Today, the maximum number of allowable, simultaneously financed properties is 10. You wouldn’t know it, though — few banks actually offer the program.

You can finance more than 4 properties at once

You can finance more than 4 properties at once

In February 2009, Fannie Mae said it would up the maximum financed-property limit from four to ten to help stabilize the U.S. housing market.

“Experienced investors play a key role in the housing recovery”, it said.

This is a truth.

Real estate investors buy foreclosed homes, multi-unit properties, and vacant condos as a means to build wealth long-term.

And now, with rents out-gaining the rise in home prices in U.S. cities such as San Francisco, California; Fort Worth, Texas; and Seattle, Washington, investor types are clamoring for good homes — especially with financing so cheap.

15-year mortgage rates with points are below 3 percent.

Despite market options, though, investors can find it hard to find banks which offer financing for people with more than 4 properties already financed.

Even seven years later, Fannie Mae’s 5-10 Properties Financed program remains a niche product.

Maybe you’ve been turned away by your bank, too.

Why most banks won’t do a 5-to-10 properties mortgage

So, why don’t all banks participate in the 5-10 Properties Financed program? The probable answer is that underwriting a 5-property-owning investor’s mortgage application can be very hard work.

As compared "traditional" homeowners who submit for loan approval with just a W-2 and pay stub, a seasoned real estate investor is asked to provide complex tax returns, complete REO schedules, and extra detail for every home underwritten and approved.

Reviewing paperwork takes time. Sometimes, a lot of it.

Furthermore, investors with 5 or more properties financed are more likely to hold title to their homes in a non-standard fashion.

This, too, creates “extra work” underwriting which slows down the approval process for the subject home and for every other loan with the bank, too.

As compared to a standard purchase loan, loans for investors with more than 4 homes financed generates the same bank to the bank but with more man-hours required to approve and additional fraud risk post-closing. It’s no wonder most banks avoid them.

Note : Most banks, not all. You have to know where to find a 5-to-10 Properties loan. Then, you have to meet its guidelines.

The 5-10 financed properties program criteria

To finance a home via Fannie Mae’s 5-10 Properties program, the following criteria must be met with no exception :

  • Own between 5 and 10 residential properties, each with financing attached
  • Purchase : 25% down payment is required for 1-unit; 30 percent is required for 2-4 units
  • Refinance : 30% equity is required for all property types (1-, 2-, 3-, or 4-unit)
  • Minimum credit score must be 720
  • There must not be any mortgage lates within the prior 12 months on any mortgage
  • There must be no bankruptcies or foreclosures in the prior 7 years
  • There must be 2 years of tax returns which rental income from all rental properties
  • There must be 6 months of PITI reserves on each of the financed properties

That’s pretty much it. Tough, but not too tough.

You can even combine the delayed financing rule with the 5-10 Properties program to take cash-out from a home purchased free-and-clear at auction or otherwise.

Post: 4th Property - Pay off or wait 2 years?

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

5-10 rule is for property owners who have to listen to rules set in place by Freddy/Fannie to purchase their 5th property.

Post: 4th Property - Pay off or wait 2 years?

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

Just recently purchased my 4th property and was wondering your guys thoughts...

Should I pay off my 4th property or wait two years to quality for the 5-10 rule?

Post: 5-10 Properties - 5th Property as Primary Residence

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

QUESTION:

I must wait two years of tax returns for my most recent rental property to 'season' before I can purchase a 5th, then wait two more years to buy the 6th, then two more years to buy the 7th, then two more years to buy the 8th, ect, ect..?

I am a newer investor and just bought four in the last two years alone...

  • Own between 5 and 10 residential properties, each with financing attached:
  • Purchase : 25% down payment is required for 1-unit; 30 percent is required for 2-4 units
  • Refinance : 30% equity is required for all property types (1-, 2-, 3-, or 4-unit)
  • Minimum credit score must be 720
  • There must not be any mortgage lates within the prior 12 months on any mortgage
  • There must be no bankruptcies or foreclosures in the prior 7 years
  • There must be 2 years of tax returns which rental income from all rental properties
  • There must be 6 months of PITI reserves on each of the financed properties

Post: 5-10 Properties - 5th Property as Primary Residence

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

THANK YOU!

Post: 5-10 Properties - 5th Property as Primary Residence

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

So, I just hit the magic #4 property.

I have a small concern, however.

I have three rentals and am living in a property that I will convert into a rental after I have been living here for one year.

If I purchase my 5th property as a primary residence and convert the prior primary into a rental (total of 4 rentals and 1 primary), can I still put down 5% for my new primary and not be subject to the rules of the 5-10 property requirements?

I am sure that someone knows this answer because they either have done this or know someone who has done this.

Post: Buying investment property from neighbor - Steps required?!?

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

EDIT: 

How does the mortgage play a role?

Post: Buying investment property from neighbor - Steps required?!?

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

Thank you so much!

Any idea where to download a standardized purchase contract for Pennsylvania?

Post: Buying investment property from neighbor - Steps required?!?

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

So, my neighbor has came up me and said that he would like to sell his property to me.

He is aware that I am an investor.

I am just not sure about the steps/transfer/legal actions that would need to be taken because I have always went through a Real Estate Agent for my other five transactions.

Did some google searching, but nothing that helped answer my questions.

Thank you, as always!

Post: Cash out Refinance OR ???

Lawrence PaulPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Montgomery County
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 9

Thank you for all of the ideas.

Currently have tenants in both units and their leases expire on 08/01/2021.

Thinking about just holding my cards and 1031 exchanging into a 4-plex of some kind.

Would really love to 1031 into an 8 unit type, but my net worth will not cover the commercial real estate requirements.