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All Forum Posts by: Lawrence H.

Lawrence H. has started 8 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: Advice Needed: Special Situation Buying House from Divorced Couple

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

Hi BP!

I have an interesting situation that involves 2 sellers. I currently live in an awesome midcentury style duplex as a renter and would like to purchase the property. There is a lot of potential for the house to be a house hack with the other unit rented out and converting the garage into an ADU effectively allowing us to live for free in a HCOL area. The house itself is an art piece and has some non-emergency deferred maintenance so will likely have to amortize that over time. There are a couple of wrinkles that I would love to get folks' perspectives on to make sure I'm not missing anything for the purchase. This will get relatively detailed as there is a settlement tied to divorce case that has just concluded for 3-5 years for the couple (awful, drawn out case for both sides).

Stakeholders:

Wife (main bread winner)

Husband (stay a home dad)

Me (current tenant)

Background of Case and Situation:

Divorce case that started over 5 years ago. Wife has been trying to settle and sell the house to pay for lawyer fees (racked up over $300k between them two). Husband has been blocking the sale for years trying to purchase himself but doesn't have the funds. Ended up settling last week where they need to choose a broker in a week, and put the house for sale on the market in around 2 months and wife has to give extra $ from the sale to husband in exchange for cancelling alimony. 

After the settlement, the wife and I sat down to go over the case outcome and she indicated that she would issue me a 60 notice to vacate but is non enforceable given our 1 year lease that will end next June. She has mentioned that part of the settlement agreement states that she needs us to vacate and if we don't, she might be at risk of opening the case all over again which she is deathly afraid of. After reading the docs, I only saw that she needed to issue me a notice to vacate vs. actually having me out so not sure if that was 100% truthful (trying to figure out why she would lie about it or if I read that wrong). During our discussion, she also tried to flip me to month to month multiple times which I declined as there was no benefit for me. I mentioned that I would be interested in purchasing the house which the wife is open , but she believe will have trouble convincing the husband if she suggests it as he would decline anything she proposes given the feud (both need to sign off on sale). She suggested that I could bring it up with the husband (he's my neighbor at the duplex) so it seems like it's not coming from her. We have a window of around 1 week from today to do a direct deal or they will be signing a broker to be on the deal given settlement agreement. I currently have a cordial relationship with the husband but also don't want to show all my cards. Benefit of doing a direct deal is that I don't have competition and that there would be no broker fee which the sellers and I could split. However, there is a lot of repairs that will need to be negotiated (potentially 30% of the purchase price) and wonder if I push too hard, if they would take it out to the market.

Current Interests of Each Party:

Wife - wants to maximize purchase price as she has a lot of lawyer fees, she wants a quick close. She's afraid that if we don't move after 60 days of giving us the notice, her settlement will fall through and she would need to reopen the case and spend more $. I'm unclear if that's true still because from the documents I read, she only needs to issue me a notice. One potential scenario is that she's afraid that I will drive away buyers given I'm living in the unit until June of next year with my lease, or that I would scare them off by saying I'm already in talks of buying it. The house is going as is and the inspection report will show a decent amount of yellow flags that could potentially scare buyers. She wants ease of transaction so would prefer to sell to us at a fair price because we're already there and easy to deal with.

Husband - don't know much about him but seems like he wants to maximize purchase price and potentially get more from the wife if he could. He also has emotional attachment to the house and would potentially want to continue renting the front unit. 

Us - I would like to purchase the property for as good of price as possible given high mortgage rates, hopefully backing out broker fees if I go direct, backing out repair costs, then eventually building out the house so I can house hack it and live there for the foreseeable future.

Know it's a lot but would appreciate any thoughts here! Trying to figure out what I should do over the next week.

Post: Any recommendations for landlord lawyers around Riverside?

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

Had a notice that came from the city for a rental and wanted to consult a lawyer before responding. Bought a house and aiming to convert legacy unpermitted structure into legal structure. Wanted to consult a lawyer on a notice that came in from the city after I bought it. Will need time to fix it and currently in the works. Would need landlord lawyer that is familiar with riverside city code / law.

Post: Deal Analysis - Fourplex in KC

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

@Steven May

I would say the 1 by 1 is probably around $650 a month to be conservative and $700 is aggressive... the 2 by 1 is probably around $750 - 850... got the numbers from a property manager who looked at it. Said a 1 by 1 rented out across the street for $700 but might take 3 months to get that... does that sound right to you? Anything else I should watch out for regarding cash flow? Seller kept poor records so I have no data on utilities, taxes, etc but figured I could check taxes with the city.


Thank you for your input! 

Post: Deal Analysis - Fourplex in KC

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

Hi BP family,

Just got my first investment under contract in KC and super excited! Wanted to run the numbers with you guys to double check I'm not missing anything. It's a fourplex in the Ivanhoe Northeast area... a bit of an up and comer but some similar homes in the $280 - 340k ARV range. It's made up of two 2 bed 1 bath and 2 1 bed 1 bath.

$170k purchase price + $55k rehab = $225k. With hard money lending fees, holding costs, closing costs, refi fees, penciling to around $245k. With a $280k - $340k ARV, we're coming out anywhere between 86% ARV to 70% ARV when we refi (will likely not get a perfect BRRR unless we hit the high end of the ARV range).

After rehab, the rents seem to fall anywhere from an average of $700 - 800 a room... pointing to around $2,800 - $3,200 a month, getting us close to a 1% rule depending on ARV. With a rent of $2,800 to be conservative, we're thinking around $252 / month for property manager, mortgage of $1.1k off a 5-6% commercial loan, insurance of $115 a month, taxes of 1.1% or $257 a month, and maintenance of around $115 a month (may be high since we'll rehab it). This is giving us around $1k a month off of the 4 units.

Would love for you guys to beat my numbers and assumptions up on this. Anything I'm missing? Does this sound like a good deal to you?

Best,

Lawrence

Post: Riverside County ADU

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

@Jarrid Weber 

I'm currently in-process getting my ADU re-appraised... I've been having similar problems as above. I have a home and with an extension and an ADU that will cost me $200-250k in construction costs, only adding around $100k in value (per my appraiser). I'm fighting tooth and nail and got another appraisal but still waiting on the result.

For some reason, the appraisers in Riverside are having trouble getting higher values because they don't go off income approach and very few precedents. The ADU / extension would bring in $3,000 - 3,300 in additional monthly rent. PM me for more info as I've gone through the whole designing / city approval phase if interested.

Post: Insurance Brokers (Flood)

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

@Jonathan Bombaci I will check them out, thanks!

Post: Any good real estate investment CPAs in the socal area?

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

Looking for recommendations for a CPA in the socal area (preferably close to Irvine / Newport Beach) that has real estate experience.

Post: Personal Gtee for LLC

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

@Dan Beaulieu - appreciate the note. 

Just playing it through, if the loans are on my tax returns, won't conventional lenders be able to triangulate back to the loan and count it towards the DTI? Or do folks take a distribution from the LLC containing the real estate / debt mix so that the loan amount isn't as explicit (i.e. have an LLC holding the real estate and loan with a personal gtee... the cashflow would be distributed to me through the LLC but lenders don't see the mechanics?) Just trying to understand how the mechanics would work out and play out the scenario.

Post: Personal Gtee for LLC

Lawrence H.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 8

Thanks both - very helpful and understood. Sounds like the lenders won't do a hard pull on your credit? How is it that the loans will not show up on your record and affect DTI if you personally gtee? (assume that the lenders will want to see what other commercial loans are outstanding)

Helpful to understand what is market in real estate. I guess I was thinking more from how private equity funds were structured and how the debt would sit only on the company's balance sheet and would be secured only by the company's assets, not affect the overall fund. Sounds like that usually does not happen for real estate deals at a smaller size.