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All Forum Posts by: Tyler Cruz

Tyler Cruz has started 5 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Okay, I spoke with my mortgage broker again (still waiting on the year ends), and she basically told me that as long as the place cash flows and I put down 20%, that I'll likely be approved for anything out there. With my down payment, it's looking like a top purchase price of around $800,000 or a little higher.

Here's a basic cashflow analysis I came up for the following property: http://www.icx.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=14680593&PidKey=1628804703

I made the best educated guesses as to the proper expenses, but please let me know if I missed anything and/or if any of my numbers are way off. The income numbers are taken as per the property's listing:

Purchase Price (not including closing costs) $659,900.00
Gross Rental Income (Yearly) $52,800.00
Gross Rental Income (Monthly) $4,400.00

Property Taxes $333.00
Property Insurance $333.00
Property Management Fee (10%) $440.00
Mortgage (25% Down, 30 years, 3%) $2,081.67
Strata $0.00
Vacancy (10%) $440.00
Repairs & Maintenance (10%) $440.00
Water/Sewer/Garbage $100.00
Hydro (Individually metered) (0%) $0.00
Gas $0.00
Oil $0.00
Yard maintenance $160.00

Monthly Expenses Total $4,327.67

Net Monthly Total (before taxes) $72.33

How does that look? 

I'm also wondering how much a garbage and recycling bin/pickup costs, as a multiplex property wouldn't work with regular city garbage pickup...

That's my basic Excel spreadsheet for now... I will improve it over time, building in a mortgage calculator and some more features.

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Yeah, I am trying to be careful not to jump the gun and buy just any property just so that I can say that I'm in the game - because my personality is to do just that too!

I plan on creating an Excel worksheet where I can input all my numbers and have it output a nice analysis for me on potential buys so that I can compare things; basically what the Pro section here does, only it'd be more custom and applicable (Ex. the property transfer tax).

Once my 2 year ends are done, I have already made plans to sit down with my mortgage broker to crunch numbers and see what I'd be preapproved for. And even before then, I requested a very rough estimate from her so that I can get an idea what range I can start looking in.

Yesterday I noticed a new 5-plex and duplex hit the market here. Once you really start looking, the more you notice things :-)

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

I'm back!

So, I had a meeting with my accountant a couple days ago to discuss my investment options including some discussion on property investment.

He personally advocated the advantages of capital gains on properties, and insinuated that you actually only make money when you sell... at least in our local climate. He did help open my eyes when we did rough calculations on if I bought 3 cheap condos here for around $195K total; before taxes even, I'd only net around $10,000 a year (if I remember things correctly) and would be taxed on 100% of that, as opposed to perhaps buying something like a duplex, doing some upgrades, renting it out for a year or two, and then selling it for a profit and only being taxed on 50% of the profit.

That is also more work though... and is also a little bit more risky I think... so again it's a "with risk comes reward" kind of thing.

So, I'm still undecided as to what route I want to go. I've looked into GIC's, which is the epitome of passive income and is guranteed, but it's also the tiniest return (like 1.5%). I am still not interested in mutual funds or having others invest for me; despite me being a newbie, I still don't really like the idea of having other people manage MY money.

Things would be a MILLION times easier if I lived in the US where in general real estate appears to have a much better return, but I really am only comfortable investing locally here.

In general, I think I might be leaning towards a duplex or "cheap" multifamily. Every good month that I can continue doing with my day job would bring me a lot closer to being able to live off of the income from my real estate properties. I just don't wanto to bite off more than I can chew in case my work income suddenly drops down to 0...

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Wow, a lot of new responses - nice, and thanks guys!

Tom - Yeah, I am very cognisant of the fact that most real estate investment books are written for the US buyer... and it's a bit annoying! I know that a lot of the underlying fundamentals can be applied to anyone, but it also leaves out a lot. For example, our closing costs here in BC seem to be a lot more (the PTT doesn't appear to help!).

There's actually a book (Kindle only) written by a real estate investor from Nanaimo here.

Ed - Strata fees are basically the same thing as HOA in the US.

I am still a complete newbie to all of this, and I do agree that the cap rates locally here leave a lot to be desired, but aren't there more factors to consider? For example, our property taxes are a lot lower than where property is a lot cheaper in the US, and there aren't too many "slum" areas in our city. There are some, for sure, but not that many.

The other thing to consider is that I know even less about stocks than I do real estate investing!

Roy - Yes - I understand where you're coming from. I know that she does have experience with working with investors, and has lenders available that have no limit requirements on the amount of properties to mortgage. She's also a member of a lot of the local real estate investors and business networking groups, and attends related seminars and the such, which I like.

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I hope I'm not sounding dismissive to anyone as that is certainly not the case; I appreaciate all the feedback. I'm just trying to share my perspective of things.

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

I am working with a mortgage broker (Julie Tyson) who I've used for my last 2 purchases (not investments) and have been very happy with her.

Yeah, I figured it was pretty much a financials thing in regards to the "conflict of interest". I think it's fair to say though that if we both had X amount of available investment cash and an awesome deal came up though, that it'd be in your own best interest to snag it up first. I don't think there's any denying that... but it doesn't really make much of a difference anyway because even if you didn't have any clients, that still wouldn't change things!

Something you touched on and that I've read on BiggerPockets here is knowing what your investment type or strategy is. I'm personally not handy or knowledgable in construction in the least, and therefore have no interest in flipping properties. That may change down the road, but it's not in my current plans.

I am also not limiting myself to only purchasing brand new turnkey properties; I am willing to do some very 'basic' renovations via outsourcing the work to others such as upgrading/replacing floors, countertops, appliances, paiting, etc. However, I'd want to avoid properties that immediately need a new roof or rewiring, etc.

I think I am interested in a long-term buy-and-hold rental strategy where cashflow is breakeven at worst; it does not need to be very cashflow positive as I do have my main business still. For the relative future, I do not plan to leverage any properties I owe in order to grow; I'd rather pay down the mortgage (if any) and have a "sure thing" before building up. This may change depending on how confident I am after having done this for a while though.

Just doing some very quick and basic research, it seems that around 5-6% cap rate is around the norm for Nanaimo. Reading more on the 50% rule, as well as the 1/2% rule, the more I realize that they are pretty useless other than looking for VERY quick numbers to get a very rough idea of things. They're more numbers to do calculations in your head...

Cap rate, I feel, is not too different... it has a lot more bearing than those other 2 rules, but a blogger at BP pointed out, a higher cap rate could simply mean that the previous owner didn't keep the property well maintained...

I have $230 worth of real estate investing books in my shopping cart on Amazon. Still haven't ordered them yet (I want to be sure I'll read them first), and I've been reading a lot on BP... I've learned a fair bit already, but I feel that a good amount of this industry comes from hands-on experience (as with most things in life).

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Yeah, the relative stability of real estate is why I am interested in using my profits from my online business. The stuff I do is so volatile that I may have to do a $5,000 minimum media buy spend, and end up making only $20 in revenue, and so within a few days I've already lost $4,990. And with revenue-generating websites, while a hell of a lot more stable, it's still vulnerable to stiff competition and changing trends. Just look at MySpace.

May I ask, as both a realtor and a real estate investor, do you not find yourself in a conflict of interest, especially in a small city such as Nanaimo? Would financials be the only thing from preventing you from taking up all the good investment deals, and leaving the 2nd-best deals to your clients?

I'm still open to what I may be looking for, and I am still waiting to sit down with my accountant and crunch some numbers around (waiting on corporate year-end to finish first), but I am leaning towards a duplex, triplex, or 4-plex.

I've been looking at this one a lot:

http://www.icx.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=...

Listed (unverified) gross income of $43,380.00 and expenses of $12,990 leaving revenue of $30,389.00. It's unclear what expenses include, but I presume it covers most of the basics such as water/sewer/garbage, hydro, and basic maintenance, but likely doesn't cover costs such as property management fees, improvements/upgrades (if any), insurance, taxes, etc.

With a list price of $509K, let's say I got it for $480K and put down 25% ($120K). Ignoring the closing cost fees and going straight to the cashflow, the bi-weekly mortgage would come out to $786, so around $1,600 a month.

Using the gross income of the property, it works out to $3,615 a month, an average of $900 per door per month.

Utilizing the ROUGH gauge of the 50% rule (which is why I'm using the gross income here), and not factoring in 10% property management fees (which I'm not sure if the 50% rule considers), that leaves $1,807 to pay for the mortgage, which leaves around $200 a month profit.

Now, when you factor in additional safety padding costs and taxes, I'd basically be breaking even more or less it appears (albeit building equity; although slow equity on a 30-year amortization!).

Alternatively,  I could straight-out bought a condo unit such as this one: http://www.realtor.ca/PropertyDetails.aspx?&Proper...

Let's say I bought it at $115K. It's renting at $825 (although that seems a little high to me for those apartments). I think that $200 strata for that place is fairly conservative. After a 10% property management fee, and let's say 10% for vancacy times, that leaves me with around $460 a month. Let's knock off 10% more for paint, move-in fees, etc. That's $377.50 a month profit before taxes. I might be missing some costs here... insurance I guess but that's pretty cheap on condos. Like $150 a year I think.

The cashflow is slightly better on the 2nd example, and is more risk-free in that I wouldn't have a mortgage, but the first example may benefit from forced appreciation and inflation.

In either case, the cashflow would be so miniscule...

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Oops, missed a few replies in this thread (now monitoring it).

After a little more searching, I actually found some more multi-family units in Nanaimo here (you have to be a little creative in how you search online I guess). There's still not many to choose from, but that might not be such a bad thing.

The more I read and think about things, the more that multi-family units appeals to me... the main downside being that I'm not looking forward to being responsible for external maintenance and such things that strata usually takes care of. Financially though, I think that multi-units have a lot more going for them.

Tom - Do you think that Brandon Turner's "50% Rule of thumb" is applicable to Nanaimo?

To answer your question, I'm an internet entrepreneur and in the past 2-3 years have focused primarily on affiliate marketing. So basically lead generation through the use of online paid advertising. It's competitive and volatile as hell.... but if you can get through that, there's good money in it.

It's really "quick cash" though and not building a long-term business like the relative passive income I was generating before from my network of ad-revenue cashflow generating websites. This is why I want to re-invest a good chunk of my profits to build something that is a lot more stable and predictable.

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Roy - The number of triplexes, quadplexes+ around here can be counted on one hand... at least, that's what I can find publicly listed on MLS; maybe I'm missing some private listings though...

Tom - Nice to meet you (I actually already looked you up; always do my research :P).  I am actually aware of the higher strata costs (I was paying around $260 in The Fountains II before I bought a house) - my $100 guestimate was for the Willows on Bowen...

Thanks for the confirming the 10% property management assumption. I heard good things about 460...

It sounds like you're telling me that Nanaimo isn't the easiest market for someone like me to get into though... kind of intimidating...

Salvatore - I must admit that I didn't even consider posting potential deals here to get feedback. Good idea! I come from an industry that is ridiculously competitive, and therefore cannot share a word on anything, but I don't think that's too much of an issue in real estate...

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Thank you everyone for your welcome and responses. I'd like to thank Roy N. in particular. 

In fact, here are some follow-up's to a few of Roy's points:

- Seconding mortgage is definitely not something I considered, and I do like the more "hands-off" fact, however I believe "simple" rental properties are more where I'm leaning as I believe there is more information and resources available for jumping into that.

- Regarding "partnering" with someone else (somebody else mentioned this too) - while I completely understand the benefits of doing this, I've just never been a fan of partnering with someone else. I am too much of a control freak and have some trust issues when it comes to business.

- In regards to "...I would suggest you look at entire buildings in addition to (or rather than) condominiums." -- I do not have the funds to do this, unless you're talking about duplexes, in which case I'd still have to take on a 50% mortgage with a 150K investment fund.

Strata bylaws, politcs, and prices are all something I don't miss after having lived in a condo for a long time, but I do like the idea of not having to deal with maintenance issues that a fullly owned building brings upon. Should this be a red flag about me entering this industry?

- Regarding "But let's say you decide to hold a mortgage. You can now purchase 8-10 properties rather than 2. Your monthly CFBT will be less as you will have debt service, but your overall cash flow will be greater since you have 4-5 times the revenue sources. Your vacancy risk will also be lower as it is spread across more units. Finally, your tenants will be building equity for you. " <-- This is basically the idea I had behind my original question of buying straight out vs mortgaging. Plus, there are added benefits with "volume" such as possible reduced rates/deals from service people, agents, etc.

My mortgage broker told me that most of her lenders allow for up to 4 mortgaged properties though; is it realistic to mortgage out 10 properties at 20% down? I could almost afford to do that...

Post: Absolute Newbie Looking to Jump Into Rental Properties

Tyler CruzPosted
  • Nanaimo, British Columbia
  • Posts 46
  • Votes 2

Hello everyone!

This is my first post here as I am brand new to both BiggerPockets and property investments.

I have some money lying around in my bank account that's doing absolutely nothing (was made from my business), and so I was looking to build some (relatively) passive income and turn that liquid cash into property assets.

I am prepared to invest up to $150,000 CAD ($140K USD) into rental properties.

I would like my investments to be as passive and hands-off as possible, and so I would definitely be hiring a property management company.

I have endless questions, but I guess my first would be whether it'd be better to buy off properties in whole first, or to take on mortgages. Please excuse my complete naivety in this matter - everyone has to start out somewhere!

In the smallish city where I live, apartments on the cheapest end of the spectrum are listed at around 69K (all prices from hereon out are in CAD) and renting out for around $650/month. Moving up to $125K list price and they're renting out for around $825. At $150K list, they're around $875. It seems the lower end of the market has a better cost:rent ratio.

Taking the $69K - $650 rent as an example (there are a bunch of these units for sale; they're in a complex with a lot of units for sale), let's say I bought 4 of those (although I wouldn't want to put all my eggs in one basket buying all in the same building, but this is just for samples sake).

Using a 15-year amortization period with a 3% rate (I'm in BC, Canada), and a purchase price of 65K and down payment of 30K (46%) on each place, that would work out to a $241 monthly mortgage on each. That's $650/month rent on each. Say 10% for property management, and another 15% on top of that for vacancies, repairs, etc. which I believe to be conservative (but am just pulling out of my ***), and that leaves me with $487.50. I do not know the strata cost of that building yet, but let's just say $100 (they're pretty cheap). So that's $387.50.

Subtract the mortgage and that's $146.5 positive cashflow per unit. Times 4 units that's $586 net profit before taxes a month and it's building equity each month. This is not taking into consideration the closing costs of the purchases.

That's a $120K investment. Or, for roughly the same price I could buy two of those units completely and profit $775 a month (that's factoring in the expenses too) and hold full equity...

Hmm... assuming I did the math right, it seems I may have answered my own question right there? The major downside to mortgaging to me seems the fact that you don't know what interest rates will do.

My business is in an industry that is extremely volatile and unpredictable. I can go from making virtually nothing one month to making $50K profit the next. As a result, I am looking to parlay the income I do make from it and put it into more passive means of generating wealth.

Therefore, my plan at the moment is to take the money I'm making from my business and throw most of it into income-generating property. So in some ways, I may have a somewhat faster path in rental property growth as I won't be relying solely on a slow growth formula of the renters paying off my mortgages.

I need to get my feet wet first though and take the plunge. That is the hardest part, I'm sure...

Comments, suggestions, and advice is greatly appreciated!