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All Forum Posts by: Jaren Barnes

Jaren Barnes has started 13 posts and replied 472 times.

Post: Buyer defaulted on contract for deed

Jaren BarnesPosted
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  • Chicagoland
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@Denise Lettau , it's interesting that you did a contract for deed instead of a land contract in Florida. A land contract allows you not to reflect the terms sale in the public records. 

Florida is a Judicial foreclosure state, so you'll have to go through the court system if you want to foreclosure. That could be a headache. I might go the route of selling the note. Would be worth speaking with a FL based attorney though. 

Post: Interested in getting into Wholesaling!

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Have you considered land as an alternative to wholesaling houses? 

A lot of my wholesaler buddies are telling me it's common place to have to spend $50K+ on marketing to sustain the wholesale business right now. 

In land you're a baller if you're spending $10K and you can often just get deals of the MLS.

Post: Entity needed for a hard money lender

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@Courtney M. I'd just go to Rocket Lawyer and set one up. Their checkout process is pretty simple to use and you can pay extra to get the entity filed sooner if need be. 

It's pretty common I think among hard money lenders to require this. 

One that I work with in my land business requires me to essentially form a new LLC per each property.

I don't know exactly why they want the property in an entity but I think it has to do with some kind of lending laws or something. 

Post: 1st investment property.....

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@Joanna Laguerre If it was me, I'd double down on the Florida market. 

Florida is a much stronger and faster-growing market than Ohio. 

I live in Chicago and plan on doing a lot of my investing there. 

There are places in Florida that are pretty affordable outside of the major cities - have you considered, say Ocala?

Post: How to Get Started in Marketing to Probates...

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  • Chicagoland
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Hey guys,

I hope this is the right place to put this.

Last year, a large majority of my deals came through probate-related situations.

Either the property was still in the name of the deceased, or was an inherited property and I was dealing with the heir. 

I want to double down on this strategy, so I'm trying to figure out how to do it. 

1. Are there any good books, courses, blog posts etc. on getting real estate deals through targeting probates? 

2. How do I find a list of the deceased BESIDES just reading the local newspaper? Would the county have this list available? 

Thanks!

Post: Recommendations for an Apartment Syndication Mentorship Program

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@Nathaniel Green once I'm back in Chicago we should connect! I live in NW Indiana. 

After speaking to a lot of people I'm connecting with on LinkedIn (by the way, if you want to connect with me there 👉https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarenb/) I came to the conclusion, that I'm probably not going to pursue a high-level coaching program after all. 

I'm going to learn how to analyze deals.

I'm going to then find a deal. 

Then I'm going to bring it to someone much more experienced and give them enough equity to justify them taking lead on the project and bringing me along so I can learn the process. 

I plan just to start networking by going to conferences and being active on LinkedIn. 

Post: Recommendations for an Apartment Syndication Mentorship Program

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@Taylor L. Man I have no idea how Missed this. I’ll check Jonathan out!

Post: I’m 17 and don’t want to go to college

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@Account Closed so as someone who never graduated from college, I can say there are pros and cons to getting a college degree. 

Let's look at both options for a moment:


Getting a College Degree

Pros:

-You Get A Four-Year Personal Development Experience Like No Other

I think some of the best value in going to college, doesn't come from the classes. You get to experience community in a way that no other part of society lets you experience. You get challenged on all of your assumptions and beliefs, and it's easy to find and create your own path in life from the experience. 

- You Get A Network 

Especially if you go into finance or business, another incredible value from going to college is you walk away integrated into a very close-knit network of professionals, who will give you the time of day, over others, simply because you went to the same school. There is insane value in this!

- You Have A Fallback Plan

If real estate or some other business doesn't work out, even if it's just for a short season, you can get a decent job easier (typically) with a college degree. 

Cons:

-Unless You Get A Scholarship Or Have Someone Paying Your Way, You Start Life Substantially In Debt 

And it's BAD debt - there is no relief from that thing, even in bankruptcy. 

So if you have to go into large amounts of debt to gain the experience and degree...you should really count the cost, and make sure you have a clear ROI for your investment.


-You Don't Really Learn Much From Classes

As someone who loves learning, this was one of the most frustrating aspects of my short term, college experience (I went for one year at a four-year university). 

What the current education system teaches you to do, is take assignments and produce results. 

It teaches you how to develop your short term memory, (which granted has some benefits to it), where you memorize a bunch of facts that you can recite on Friday and forget on Saturday. 

It teaches you punctuality and how to meet deadlines - which is good... but for me, it isn't the essence of what education is supposed to be. 

Education is supposed to give you an experience that transforms you as an individual into something better.

It's supposed to give you a skill you can serve with and knowledge you can use to make money with, which in turn creates more value in the world at large.

Again, I think you get more from the college experience than you do from the classes. 

-A Degree Doesn't Automatically Equal A Good Job Or Good Income

Four years is a long time and the cost for college is very, very expensive, which you'll be paying off for a long time (potentially). 

For that much cost, you would think a lot of entry-level jobs that make a four-year degree mandatory would pay better than others that don't require a degree... but typically, they pay around the same (unless they're specialized like medical or engineering).

So you're investing a lot without much ROI, unfortunately.

Not Getting a College Degree

Pros:

-You Start Life Off Debt-Free

Not starting life with a hefty monthly payment gives you a lot of options and flexibility. 

You have to be a go-getter to take advantage of those options, but those options are there all the same.

-You Have The Flexibility to Experience Life In A Different Way

Instead of spending the money on college, you could spend a fraction of it on traveling the world, doing a gap year, joining the peace corps, going on missions, etc.

Those experiences are extremely beneficial for your personal development (but as a heads up without college, you have to be self-reliant on cultivating your own personal growth).

-You Have A Much More Realistic Of How The World Works

College, despite how great it can be, gives people a false sense of adulthood. Life isn't all about partying and what's happening on the social circuit (though office politics and the pecking order is definitely a real thing, and you'd benefit from learning how to navigate that).

When you get started working right out of high school, you learn WAAAY faster how money works, how employers work, etc. 

You'll find that people value your ability to think critically over your ability to recite information.

-You have a four-year leg up on work experience compared to your college-bound peers

Even though a lot of jobs want you to have a college degree, if you have four years' experience in your respective field... that can be A HUGE advantage over someone with a degree. 

I always applied to jobs regardless if they said a degree was required or not and I landed a lot of them, despite lacking a degree.

Cons

-Your Career Becomes Much More Niched

Based on my work history I'm experienced in real estate investing and in online content creation.

I can shoot videos, write blog posts, podcast and so on all about real estate investing, but inherently, if I were out of a job tomorrow it would be harder for me to find another similar job to what I have now (or a job that can pay me what I need to make ends meet). 

So as a fallback plan, I don't really have much of a safety net, or at least not one as wide as someone with a degree. 

So I have to make sure I'm investing my money properly and that I have resources in place beyond on my day job, in case that day comes. 

-You Have The Skill Of  Developing Yourself On Your Own

If you are not someone who can hustle and develop yourself, on your own... you should go to college. 

Without reading widely and intentionally seeking how to rapidly improve myself, I would be nowhere in life... whereas if I had a degree, I could at least (potentially) have a mediocre job, worse case. 

So that's my two cents on the subject, I hope you found it helpful. 

---

P.S. If I were to do it all over again, I'd work and save up $35,000 - $50,000 and join an apartment syndication coaching program and get super involved and learn everything I could and hustle like a madman. 

Something like Think Multifamily or Joe Fairless's coaching program. 

They're expensive but if you take action (I mean REALLY take action, no B.S.) you'll make your initial investment within the first year, get a network and be on a course to be financially free within 3-5 years. 

Within the time you'd get a bachelor's degree you'd potentially have more money than most people in 50's! But you'd have to work like an animal!

Post: Commercial RE vs Residential

Jaren BarnesPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Chicagoland
  • Posts 502
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@Dana A. so I hold my license for Indiana (though it's currently inactive). The long and the short of it is, most residential agents don't know much about investing. 

They're very niched into being experts on how to buy and sell single-family homes. 

When it comes to commercial, you're going to get a pretty awesome education working for a commercial brokerage, BUT a lot of them might have one or two ways to go about generating leads and they might be a little rigid about how creatively you can do things (I've also heard starting out, commercial real estate takes a lot longer to get to your first commission check - so be prepared, financially, if you're going full time, to not get paid for 6 months to a year). 

For example, I knew a Marcus and Millichap agent who was just starting out, and they only let him cold call for leads. Their philosophy was that they have made and continue to make millions and millions of dollars, so they want all agents to stick to their methodology for generating new business. 

However, I believe this particular agent would have been better off, doing a direct mail campaign to a targeted list of potential sellers - but he/his broker wasn't open to the idea because of their close-mindedness. 
 
If investing intrigues you, their are a lot of ways you can find a niche - for example, you could help people house hack, or get their first rental property, or you could help rehabbers find distressed properties, etc.

BUT!! You're going to have to rely on yourself, and your ability to self-educate in order to gain expertise as a specialized agent.

Post: Lease to Own/ Seller Finance Deal

Jaren BarnesPosted
  • Real Estate Coach
  • Chicagoland
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@Nathaniel Hovsepian I wouldn't do it without a down payment personally. 

Without skin in the game, this guy isn't motivated to keep paying and keep the property in good shape. 

He can say whatever he wants... but money down says a lot more to me than words.