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All Forum Posts by: Lacey N.

Lacey N. has started 3 posts and replied 15 times.

Post: Tacoma Property Manager Recommendations?

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Hi,

I know this topic has been posted previously, but I'm hoping to find some recommendations that are a bit more current with regards to property managers taking on new clients (the one I contacted said they were, and now that we've closed on the property, have been MIA).

Any recommendations for full service property management for a small duplex in Tacoma?  Also, if you are able to, provide things you like about them/ don't like about them?

Thank you!

Post: Deal 2, 3, & 4, in El Paso, TX

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Shan Shan Stevens:
Originally posted by @Sharika L.:

@Noel Walton we lived in Ewa Beach and bought a house there in 2011. Actually, that is how we are able to put down payments on the other investments because getting a Home Equity Line of Credit is so easy in Hawaii and of course the homes appreciate like crazy. To give folks an idea, we got a HELOC for 600,000 paid off our compound mortgage of 3000 a month to now paying the 1.8% simple interest HELOC 800 dollars a month and we get 3600 for rent. So Noel if you haven't done so already, look into a HELOC. We attended a "sweep" class in Hawaii that helped open our eyes. If you have any questions please let me know.

I attended a Sweep introduction, but didn't get to an 1-1 consultation yet. I don't quite understand how it lowers the monthly payment yet, because I still have to pay my mortgage every month, right? I'm getting my HELOC soon, but want to make sure I know how to operate. Thanks!

 Hi, so first, @Sharika L. (sorry, not sure why it is not tagging you), it sounds like you're doing amazing!  Congratulations!

Second, can you explain your HELOC deal/ "sweep" deal in a little more detail? You got a HELOC that was worth $600k? Was it on a primary that was completely paid off? How does a "sweep" work?

Post: New member from Hawaii. Looking to meet more members from Hawaii

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Welcome @Rechung Fujihira!  I'm originally from Hawaii myself (grew up in Kalihi) and live in the Seattle area now.  I'm working on building an investment portfolio that will allow me to leave the corporate desk job behind and move home!

Post: New member from Kirkland, WA

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

@Russell Pitts - welcome to the community!  it is pretty wonderful, lots to learn and people to meet.  I am just getting started as well and live in Bellevue, currently.    Curious to learn if you end up finding any multi-plexes in king co that cash flow.

Post: Just closed my 10th rental in last 7 months

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

@Daniel Toshner congratulations! that is awesome, and you are an inspiration to people like me who are just starting out, so thank you for sharing your experience. i outlined my goals last week, and 7 properties is the number i'm targeting. Can you share how you selected your properties to invest in other states? were they listed on the MLS? what types of properties are they? and how did you set up your financing for each one? thanks again for sharing your story!

Post: Beginner Investor!

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Rudy Manna:
Originally posted by @Ryland Taniguchi:
Originally posted by @Rudy Manna:

@Ryland Taniguchi as always, get some of the best advise and insights from you.

None of us have crystal ball for the far future, but what is your opinion on chances of a crash in 12-24 months? I can't predict the macroeconomic forces such as China slowdown, Britain collapse, Greece bankruptcy or mortgage rate spike. But when I look at local factors there is incredible strength in the Seattle area. Population is exponentially increasing, I personally know friends who are moving to Seattle area and few others looking for jobs here as well. Facebook and Google have aggressive plans in Seattle. So many people live in rentals with double income high paying tech jobs waiting to buy houses, or looking and got discouraged seeing the competition  ( I personally know at least 10). Without any catastrophe with Microsoft, Amazon or Boeing just don't see how a crash is possible. Don't know about Boeing but microstructure and Amazon have really strong senior leadership at this point. 

A plateau in price is possible, or even a small correction ( 5-10% drop ) is possible, but given the local dynamics don't see how a major crash (>10%) might happen in the next 2 years.

 The local economics in Seattle are very strong. The demand for housing way surpasses the supply. Housing prices will continue to go up.

But what is going on the world is what would lead to a major correction.

There is an incredible amount of currency crisis uncertainty related to the European Union. Brexit has exposed five bankrupt countries in Portgual, Ireland, Italty, Greece and Spain. If any or all of these five were to go into a sovereign debt crisis, they could exit the European Union and start devaluing their currencies. It could not only disintegrate the European Union but also start a chain reaction of currency devaluations similar to that which lead up to the Great Depression. Any crisis in Europe would directly affect China.

The global economy is susceptible to a meltdown. Banks would fail and then bank lending will stop. It would happen even as interest rates dropped. The music stops.

I am sure the global leaders are working together to prevent a global meltdown and so that will determine whether we have a correction like 2000 or something worse than 2008.

So here is how I am shifting gears.

1) Got out of flips completely. Seems risky to me based on my understanding of holding costs during crashes. Also, I only buy now pretty much in Seattle for development and Tacoma for rentals. I have been avoiding all other areas for the most part and wholesaling like my deals in Arlington, Newcastle and Lakewood.

2) Moving to a strategy that I call the 10-10-10 Rule.

10 projects a year that meet the goal of Wealth Preservation. Super safe instruments like Notes with 50% LTV and government guaranteed tax lien certificates.

10 Projects a year that meet the goal of Financial Independence. For me, I am doing 1% rule cash flow properties using the BRRRR strategy in Tacoma. Anything that I pencils to flip, I look to get a 1% rule cash flow as additional criteria.

10 Projects a year that meet the goal of Accerated Wealth. For me, this is building high density urban townhomes only in Seattle with a minimum 100% IRR.

3) Shifted from aggressive deal accumulation to a conservative accumulation of cash.

4) Focus entirely on building up a self-directed IRA group and raising millions for a hard money fund. For hard money, I think it is risky to hold the paper so I partnered with underwriters with over 20-years experience that have systems to sell the paper in 60-90 days on the mezzanine markets.

5) Have completely stopped being reliant on any bank financing. Have replaced the take-out BRRRR financing with private money 30-year fixed 6% loans. Moving to private money over hard money. I would not rely or overuse a bank line of credit... That will be gone when banks go bankrupt. Don't crosscollateralize anything.

6) Buy gold and put it in a ditch. 

Your strategy seems quite judicious and responsible, though small investors with single digit properties ( and aspiring big though) don't have the option of incredible diversification in different asset class and instruments. Neither, do we have the option of getting out of bank mortgages altogether. After thinking through a bit here is my strategy in the near term. Let me know what you all think.

- maintain at least 30% equity in all properties with the goal of hitting 40% by next year. No heloc or cash-outs. Even if I take out that will go towards notes or safer asset class.

- buy 5 more cash flow properties with minimum 1% rule in next year or so. Primarily in Tacoma.

- aggressive in deal making. Don't buy unless i generate 10% equity via hard negotiation or renovation. That means I'll have to walk away from a few deals.

- get out of 401k and stock market, and get into self directed Ira. Become private lender via realtyshares, lending club and the likes.

- start with private equity outside real estate. Relatively recession proof areas such as grocery stores or some tech startups.

Btw.. Your self directed Ira fund for hard money lending sounds super interesting. Is it open for investors? 

 Hi @Rudy Manna - I can't necessarily provide input on all of your plans, but I saw you noted investments with lending club.  i presume you mean in the notes on their platform, not their stock.  If so, i can share my first hand experience - I've been investing there about 7 years, and my returns have consistently been above 10%, even considering defaults.  despite their recent struggles as a company, i like the platform and will continue to invest in notes there for diversification.

Post: Where/ how to start with limited available cash

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6

Thanks everyone!  All the feedback, encouragement, and ideas have been really helpful for me in further defining and detailing my goals and deciding on which direction to take.

By the way, how does the voting work?  I had assumed its similar to the "like" button on fcbk, but I'm not sure.  There are some posts that biggerpockets won't let me vote on.  Anyways, kind of random, but I do appreciate everyone's comments!

Post: Where/ how to start with limited available cash

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Ryland Taniguchi:

Having acquired 80 rental properties all in partnerships, I can tell you the good and the bad of partnerships.

Like your husband said, different people have different goals. I can't tell you how many partnerships I have done where we hit our the stated goal on the transaction and yet different people have different goals, different perspectives and different tax situations.

I have found many partners want to see quick profits like in a flip and that often comes with high transaction costs and high taxes. But that maybe bad for me if my goal is to reduce my tax basis and increase my depreciation write-offs.

Also, people simply have different values. Partnership is likes marriage and it is very difficult to find the right match. Just like in a marriage a partnership requires very good communication.

Sometimes the partners have different experience levels. I can't tell you how many times a partner is expecting permits as an example to be done quick. Often times things like permits is out of one's control but it is a frequent point of contention.

Biggest problem I have with partnerships is that when anything goes over budget, it is often me paying for it even when it was originally agreed to split the costs per the agreed on split. Seems like there is always one partner always doing more.

Nevertheless, I still build my investment Portfolio through partnerships but I know that 4 out of 5 partnerships will not likely be a match.

 Good confirmation of my husband's (and mine, to be honest) suspicions.  Do you recommend a specific list of questions or checklist of things to work out when deciding on a partner?  Or a way to better protect yourself against these downfalls?  It sounds like you recognize the downfalls, yet still choose to partner, so I'm guessing you feel the benefits outweigh the challenges.

Post: Where/ how to start with limited available cash

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Justin O'Kelley:

Lacey,

It may depend on your lender/ local lending laws, but I just put my first property under contract for $52,500 stipulating in the contract that the seller pay all closing costs and fund the down payment (roughly $10,000 total).  I checked with my bank and they are ok with this, so it may be an option you can explore.

 Thanks Justin!  Just curious - is the property that you're doing this for in Oklahoma?  I'm not sure what the real estate climate is there, but here in Seattle right now, you would not get away with those types of terms with the seller.  Its very much a seller's market.  I'm starting to think I need to look outside of Seattle, though I understand that comes with its own risks of me not fully understanding those other markets.

Post: Where/ how to start with limited available cash

Lacey N.Posted
  • Investor
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Frank Jiang:

I'm not exactly suggesting house hacking.  I'm suggesting to increase your balance sheet and acquire more houses through owner occupancy.  You would trade your current house for a similar house and move into that one instead, converting your current into a rental.  Then rinse and repeat either once a year or every other year if you want the tax benefit on capital gains.  You buy each house with the intent of turning it into a rental later and you do your analysis as if it were an investment property.  This is a good way to build a portfolio with limited funds since financing on owner occupied loans don't require as much money down.

That said, $50 a month after expenses is pretty tight (I hope it's $50 after accrual for repair and capex and not before).  You're risking running into a liquidity problem if a few things go wrong together.  This strategy in general is risky for liquidity since you're taking out a bunch of 95-96.5% loans on your portfolio, but on the flip side it's a game you can play with a relatively small amount of capital.

Thanks Frank. I definitely do see your point, and completely understand regarding the more flexible lending guidelines on something owner occupied. While the $50 does account for accrual for any repairs and time to get tenants in (though, right now, the rental market is so tight, I am being conservative on my vacancy estimates), like you said the $50/ month on our current place may be a little riskier than we want. Our HOA raised the dues since we've been living here, and it hasn't helped from a prospective cash flow perspective.