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All Forum Posts by: Kyle Kline

Kyle Kline has started 7 posts and replied 15 times.

Post: BRRRR turned into flip #2

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $215,000
Cash invested: $130,000
Sale price: $415,000

The property is a single-family home that initially had 3 bedrooms and 1.5 baths. After renovations, we took a bedroom to add a master bathroom upstairs and converted the attached workshop into an additional main-floor ensuite bringing the home to a 3 bedroom 3.5 bathrooms.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

initially, we purchased it for my in-laws to eventually move into and while we waited we would operate it as STR to cover expenses and make a profit to grow our investment portfolio.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

We found it initially as a "for sale by owner" on our nightly walk. Initially, our first offer was not accepted and we thought we lost the deal. Upon a follow-up call with the owner a couple of weeks after the rejection, we learned their deal was falling apart and we continued the conversation to lock in a backup offer that was finally accepted at $5,000.00 less than our initial offer.

How did you finance this deal?

We used a conventional loan to finance the deal and private money for the Rehab.

How did you add value to the deal?

This ended up being a full gut rehab with the addition of 2 bathrooms and making 2 master suites.

What was the outcome?

We had a good outcome with good profit for our second flip as we started to implement systems in the renovation process.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

We continued to learn a lot of lessons as a new investor specifically the renovation process and when to cut your losses and gut the house. At the start of the project we were attempting to save as much as possible but eventually ended up having to gut the entire house due to structural issues and dealing with plaster walls.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Our agent was the best one yet (maybe a little biased as it is my wife), Hillary Kline, and our lender was Bill Mecklenburg of prosperity home mortgages who continues to go above and beyond to help us grow our real estate portfolio.

Post: First Flip in the books!

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment in Southern Pines.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $85,000
Sale price: $335,000

This deal is a great example of how to pivot and have multiple exit strategies. We bought this as a BRRRR project and to utilize it as a STR but we found a 10 unit apartment complex that met our long term goals better and pivoted to selling this project to fund the renovations and purchase of the newly acquired apartment complex.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was the perfect example of, "get it under contract and figure out the funding after" deal you hear about. Someone approached one of our BRRRR properties and asked if we wanted to buy their property. me knowing I have zero cash to purchase anything as a new investor, "why yes, yes I will buy your house!" ended up getting in under contract and figuring it out from there.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this deal off market through a local Estate Attorney that walks buy a BRRRR we were working on at the time every day for lunch.

How did you finance this deal?

I utlized a Hard money loan for the initial purchase, and then private money for the rehab costs.

How did you add value to the deal?

We added a master ensuite which increased the bed count to 3 and bath count to 2.

What was the outcome?

The outcome was ALOT of hard costly lessons learned via hiring the cheap contractor that we trusted that quickly got in over his head but continued to give him another chance over and over again.
Luckily, we bought at a great time and still made a great profit when we sold it.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

If you think you need to let someone go on your team its probably been in your subconscious long before and you need to rip the bandaid off and do it and go from there.

Post: First Flip in the books!

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment in Southern Pines.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $85,000
Sale price: $335,000

ABOUT THE DEAL: This was the first flip that we learned some hard hard lessons on but still managed to make money to invest into our next big adventure!
HOW WE FOUND THE DEAL: We found the deal from a local estate attorney who approached us as a house we were working on across the street and asked if we would be interested in buying this house that just came into an estate.... OF COURSE, I AM!!!!!
HOW WE FUNDED THE DEAL: We utilized a hard money loan to fund the deal with our own money covering the down payment. We then used a private investor to fund $50,000 of the renovation costs (for 15% of the profits) and we covered the additional $35,000 rehab cost.
THE DETAILS: The house started as a 2 bedroom 1 bath house and once we got our hands on it we completely gutted the kitchen and the den and added a master suite in the den area and completely renovated the kitchen.

LESSONS LEARNED: Do not wait to fire a sub-contractor after being let down multiple times.
Context: I hired a local handyman that I trusted with small jobs around my 5 units. I knew it was going to be a big project for him but had faith that he could get it done with some oversight. needless to say, it did not work out and I gave him another chance one too many times, costing a month extra in labor costs and about 10K in extra materials due to small mistakes and misjudgment. thankfully, we bought at such a good price right before this housing price boom and still managed to make this a great deal even with the setbacks.

CONCLUSION: All though we primarily invest in a buy and hold strategy we have begun to add 1-2 flips a year when the numbers do not line up and make more sense to sell in comparison to holding and renting. This property put us in a weird spot because we could have BRRRR and pulled 100% of our money out.... BUT, we needed that extra money to go to work in a 10 unit that we went under contract with 2 months into this project so what we bought as a BRRRR pivoted into our first flip! We are so blessed that this property came into our lives and taught us all these lessons on renovations, budgeting, managing people, and every other little lesson we learned along the way, and can not wait to tackle our next flip in the future!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was the perfect example of, "get it under contract and figure out the funding after" deal you hear about. Someone approached one of our BRRRR properties and asked if we wanted to buy their property. me knowing I have zero cash to purchase anything as a new investor, "why yes, yes I will buy your house!" ended up getting in under contract and figuring it out from there.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this deal off market through a local Estate Attorney that walks buy a BRRRR we were working on at the time every day for lunch.

How did you finance this deal?

I utlized a Hard money loan for the initial purchase, and then private money for the rehab costs.

How did you add value to the deal?

We added a master ensuite which increased the bed count to 3 and bath count to 2.

What was the outcome?

The outcome was ALOT of hard costly lessons learned via hiring the cheap contractor that we trusted that quickly got in over his head but continued to give him another chance over and over again.
Luckily, we bought at a great time and still made a great profit when we sold it.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

If you think you need to let someone go on your team its probably been in your subconscious long before and you need to rip the bandaid off and do it and go from there.

Post: Souther California investor moving to North Carolina

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Kai Murphy:

Mooresville is very nice.  What do you guys think of the Southern Pines / Pinehurst area?  There's some new construction ready to hit with homes in the 350-400k price range.  It's populated by retirees who love the golfing communities as well as military officers that work in and around Fort Bragg.  What do you think of investing in that area?  

Hey Kai! I actually live and invest in Southern Pines! We love it here for buy and holds. We own a 5 unit and currently doing some rehab on a BRRRR and one flip right now in downtown. Rents are high but so are prices right now in comparison to Fayetteville.

Post: First live in flip as a married couple

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

Oh, it was a lot of penny-pinching and sweat equity for sure. I sold anything I could on Facebook to cover expenses which helped a lot! luckily my wife was super understanding, especially when I sold the cabinets the morning before a cookout we were having! needless to say that was a cookout to remember with no kitchen sink and all the stuff in the cabinets on homemade shelving! 

Post: First live in flip as a married couple

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

Investment Info:

Townhouse fix & flip investment in Southern Pines.

Purchase price: $173,000
Cash invested: $30,000
Sale price: $223,000

This was my wife and I's first home as a married couple and in a new city in Southern Pines, NC utilizing a VA loan. We bought it in an HOA, Learned ALOT about those through that mistake..., but lived it in for 2 years while I did 90% of the work myself making it beautiful and a home we fell in love with. We sold it two years and one baby later to start our next adventure in another live in flip!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

We loved the low price point for the area and the potential it had once we walked through it.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

We utilized a realtor and MLS to find the deal.

How did you finance this deal?

VA loan with no money down.

How did you add value to the deal?

We remodeled all 3 bathrooms, totally gutted the kitchen, all new flooring, and removed walls making it open concept.

What was the outcome?

We made about $20,000 in the property but learned a whole lot more valuable lessons like investing in HOAs.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

HOAs can be good, but this one was a nightmare and we were lucky to get out alive! Thats a little exaggerate, but I learned a lot about what Due Dillegence I will be doing if I ever think of investing in an HOA again such as reserve funds and crazy rules that could deter future buyers.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

yes an agent named Jen Dimayo.

Post: First investment property in the books!

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

@Brandon Goldsmith I do wish to continue to value-add but am not against other methods. I would like to do a couple of flips a year down the road when all this virus stuff slows down. I currently look around where I live now as it has a pretty steady stream of renters but am actually looking to venture into the Columbus, Ohio area where you are at because I am from that area. 

Post: First investment property in the books!

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

@Bryan Blankenship oh yes, mid demo on the basement and have already found a hidden walk way behind drywall that had junction box galore! I can’t wait to see the find ha

Post: First investment property in the books!

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16
Originally posted by @Ashley Pimsner:

@Kyle Kline congrats on your apartment hack.

Can you explain how you got FHA financing on a commercial property with only 3-5 units occupied and smaller loan amount?

Specifically the loan program, rate, term etc.

Best wishes!

Of course, the buying process was interesting with the FHA because the listing at first was for 5 units, but the amount of work needed and the fact it sat on the market for a bit gave us some power. In our negotiations we worked very closly with our loan officer and we came up with a way to get conventional financing for the property which was to require the owner to remove the appliances in the basement apartment that was vacant which satisfied the FHA requirement for the conventional loan because it only had 4 livable spaces then. This gave us a great APR at 3.125% for 30 years and only requiring 3.5% out of our pockets.

ALong with the FHA, as i am sure you know, it is required to be owner occupied so my wife, 8 month old baby, and our dog intend to move into the 2br unit once remodeled for a year before moving and doing this again.

We are considering a refi into a commerical and pulling out the equity (BRRRR) so we can get the property appraised on profit and not comps because in this area these properties rarely come on the market which led to a very low appraisal for our buying process but still considering and investigating this plan as I am not very knowledgable in the commercial loan process.

Post: First investment property in the books!

Kyle KlinePosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Southern Pines, NC
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 16

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $368,000

This is the first investment property that I just closed today! It is a 5 unit apartment complex comprised of 4: 1 bedroom 1 bath and one 2 bedrooms 1.5 bath apartment. I purchased with 3 tenants in place all paying significantly under rental values ($300-500 lower) but after renovations, I plan to increase rent to the market value and will have an estimated cash flow of $1400 a month.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I was interested in the property because it needs a lot of work, but the cash flow after was too hard to turn down. The location is close to a military base so tenants have a steady job during this crisis which made it even more appealing.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS. It was managed by a property management company that took a very hands-off approach and let the work being done be subpar and with the owners not being local they did not have a clue the condition the property was in. I saw the potential and brought up the poor work needing to be done (mainly electrical) and the estimates I received for the work along with a low ball offer out there of $115,000 lower than asking price and they accepted.

How did you finance this deal?

FHA loan, we intend to live in the 2br/1ba apartment.

How did you add value to the deal?

We are currently renovating the apartments which will allow us to increase rent by up to $500 per unit.

What was the outcome?

We just purchased the deal so TBD so stay tuned!!