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All Forum Posts by: Kyle D Birch

Kyle D Birch has started 12 posts and replied 72 times.

Post: Refinancing in Chicago, Illinois

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

I second everything Kenneth said. If that fails, I would change lenders. I bought a property for $360k. I wanted refiance out of an FHA loan 5 months later. First lender appraised at $365.5k. Two weeks later with a different lender, I got $405k. Although you may end up paying for multiple appraisals, if The property is valued at the higher rate it's worth the investment. If they both come back low, then you may need to adjust your method of valuation.

If you want a lender referral, let me know. 

Post: Deal Analysis for a Chicago multi family property (3 of 30)

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

I think you’re sewer/water/garbage is too high. I have a 4 +1 non conforming basement apartment and my bill is under $330 every 2 months. This includes water, trash and sewer. I also have a 2 flat that is under a $100 every month.  

Post: Chicago Lender recommendations cash out/refi

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36
No luck is reaching out and speaking to four different lawyers and only one of them actually investing any time or energy into it. That one came directly from referrals on Biggerpockets and is a pretty well known name on the forums. Eventually, he  just stopped replying to my calls/text/emails.

For the money aspect, I was up front with all of them saying money was not an issue and I was willing to pay to get it straightened out legally.  I understand the numbers and recognize the investment, but thank you for clarifying. 

If you have a referral for a lawyer or firm you would reccommend, feel free to shoot me a PM. I would greatly appreciate it.


Originally posted by @John Clark:
Originally posted by @Kyle D Birch: I have spoke to a few lawyers about getting the certificate changed, but had no luck. 
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Details, please. What precisely is the "no luck?" They won't do it for free? There is a deed restriction that can't be lifted? Your "no luck" is too vague to tell us what the problem is.


Let's say it will cost you $5,000 to get the zoning changed for your house. According to you, the price of the house will increase from about $175,000 to $250,000, a $75,000 increase. last time I checked, a 5:70 ratio (since you have to recover the $5,000 spent) is the same as a 1:14 ratio. I ask you: Where else are you going to find a one-year 1,400 percent return on investment?

That you have the second unit rented out illegally is a problem, but the lawyers should be able to work around that. At a minimum you can wait until a lease is over and apply for a zoning change then. That will change your return on investment due to the loss of some months rental income during the zoning change, but you'll still come out far ahead.

Do it right. The City of Chicago has draconian penalties for illegal units. Far cheaper to make everything kosher as soon as possible.

Post: Chicago Lender recommendations cash out/refi

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36
Thanks for your reply John. I am totally fine with the value being based on a single family home. The house is in Beverly on Longwood so the single family home values are very high. My concern is that an appraiser would come see the home and would tell the lender it is not a SFH. Can you PM a lender you can recommend who I could chat with about it? 

Originally posted by @John Warren:

@Kyle D Birch all lenders using conventional financing are going to run into the same issues with the appraiser. Can you get your value based on it being a single family with an in law unit? Maybe focus on the price per square foot and not so much on the zoning?

This is always the issue with illegal units though. They provide extra income, but they still aren't legitimate for lending purposes so you never get your money back through the sale or refinance. You just have to look at them as an extra income stream that will not aid your balance sheet much. 

Post: Chicago Lender recommendations cash out/refi

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

Last July, my fiancé, now wife bought a 2 flat that was advertised as a SFH and the zoning certificate says SFH, but it was built as a two flat. 4 entrances, 2 baths, 2 kitchens, 2 furnaces two 1960's mailbox slots in the brick etc. There's are also two 2 flats next door that are "legal" that are identical to ours. The person who owned it prior to us had been there 30+ years and knocked out a doorway between the two units and lived in the whole property.

We rehabbed the property and rented out both units. We currently owe about $153k and all of the comps in the neighborhood are $250k or more. 

We are looking to do a cash out refi, but I think we would have an issue when getting it appraised because the appraiser would see the property as a 2 flat but it's zoned as a SFH. I have spoke to a few lawyers about getting the certificate changed, but had no luck.

Does anyone have an recommendations for a lender who they would suggest given the situation. I am also open to other ideas if you have them. I have emailed the historical water department with a foia request to try to get a bill that could read the property as a 2 unit but haven’t had any luck.


Thank you in advance for your time.

Post: Tricks of the trade... What is yours?

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

@Dustin Woodley

Recently, I have utilized Groupon to hire out services. I have Groupon Plus so I get a better discount. At a recent turnover, I got 3 rooms of carpet cleaned for $24. 4 hours of deep cleaning from 2 cleaners for $60 and HVAC ducts and returns deep cleaned for $170. I even found furnace filters I needed cheaper than Home Depot.

Post: Best Chicago south suburbs for new investor

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

@Amy Lim

What and where are you looking? I have had some good luck buying small multi families on the south side of the city limits and finding good cash flow. I have 7 doors and cash flow over $4,000 a month. Of course this took some time and sweat equity, but it’s possible.

Post: First BRRRR Appraisal not Matching Comps

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

@John Bell

Shift to a new lender. I just finished a refinance where I purchased for $360k FHA in July. I wanted to get out of the FHA immediately so I refinanced in December. First lenders appraisal came back at $360,500. A week later, I had a different lender get $405,000. Clearly there is no rhyme or reason sometimes.

Let me know if you want me to connect you to my lender.

Post: Underwriter Denying refinancing bc heat source in home!

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

@Joe Alonzo

Shift to a new lender. I just finished a refinance where I purchased for $360k FHA in July. I wanted to get out of the FHA immediately so I refinanced in December. First lenders appraisal came back at $360,500. A week later, I had a different lender get $405,000. Clearly there is no rhyme or reason sometimes.

Post: New Member from the Chicago, IL area

Kyle D BirchPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 36

Good morning Sarah,

Congratulations on making the jump. I remember a few years ago jumping in and never looked back. My wife and I teach for CPS and have a few properties and are always looking to grow and expand. (Probably me more than her:)

Feel free to reach out with any questions or if you wanna bounce ideas off each other.

Kyle