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All Forum Posts by: Keyonte Summers

Keyonte Summers has started 7 posts and replied 356 times.

Post: Financing For Total Rehab in Detroit

Keyonte Summers
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  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

@Jimmy Booth

I've been using a HELOC to by low and rehab my Detroit properties. I have lenders that don't have loan minimums but you have to live in Michigan and the house needs to be live able .

Post: Detroit Investor - new to the forums!

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

Welcome to BP and goodluck on the journey. Attend some meet-up, network and get active. 

Post: Thinking of selling Detroit rentals

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311
Originally posted by @Cynthia Miller:

I'm thinking if selling my Detroit properties and reinvesting somewhere else. I've had nothing but problems with tenants who don't pay and destroy the house. I'm  not making money and its become a big headache.

Has anyone sold anything in the lower income Detroit areas lately and what did you end up getting?

I don't want to leave the house empty on the market for a year and I won't take a loss either. 

Also can anyone can refer me to a good realtor who is familiar with the Detroit market and buyers.

Send me these properties I am a buyer also and would be open to taking these off your hands if they meet what I'm looking for.

Post: Tax Professionals in Detroit

Keyonte Summers
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  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

@Cameron Amateis

PM. Me I can refer you to the one I use. BP policy won’t allow me to boat contact info in the forums

Post: URGENT - HELP. Need PRO feedback on this management question.

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

@Brandon Parkes

This is very typical if the property manager company doesn’t get vetted. I would immediately get a new PM company ask questions get the answers you need that fit your mode. Just like your tenants get screened so should you PM . After that go after them for all money you should have collected from tenants . I would go as far as contacting the tenants and asking if there was any issues so you can cross reference these cost etc.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311
Originally posted by @Travis Biziorek:
Originally posted by @Keyonte Summers:
Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

@Keyonte Summers: we agree:) Please feel free to add more neighborhoods, enhance or disagree with us:)

@ Anand Mundada: Here's our thoughts about Detroit's property classes in regards to quality of tenants. 

Class A (680+ credit scores): most of Downtown, Midtown, maybe parts of Corktown and Bagley areas.

Class B (620+): some neighborhoods near the Pointes, Harper Woods, Redford, East English Village, etc., some parts of Corktown and Bagley areas. Our opinion is that Detroit has a very low percentage of Class B properties, maybe only 5-10%.

Class C (550-620): Fringe areas around everything listed above. Maybe 15-20% of Detroit.

Class D (below 550): unfortunately, with a city built for almost 2,000,000 that now only has around 700,000 (but finally, slowly growing), at least a third of the city falls into this category. The only landlords we've seen make rentals work in these areas are DIY's that either live in the areas themselves or are constantly driving by and visiting their properties weekly, if not several times a week. That type of attention doesn't work for property managers or out-of-state investors.

Also, here's some slightly modified advice we posted elsewhere on BP:

Some advice: DO NOT buy a Detroit property via Quit Claimed Deed (QCD) unless you are an expert in the Detroit market! If you buy via Warranty Deed with title insurance, property tax and water bills will be zero'd out for your purchase.

We highly recommend visiting Detroit and looking at neighborhoods you're interested in. If pressed for time you can also zoom through neighborhoods via Google Street View - just pay attention to the date of the pics. You'll notice most of these properties will be in neighborhoods overrun with the 3 "B"'s - Boardups, Blowouts & Burnouts. Extremely unlikely to find acceptable tenants to live in those types of neighborhoods.

I think you hit it on the nose with some of the neighborhood. I think the issue is that people expect that entire zip code to B class when in all actuality it might be a span of 3-4 blocks. This is what makes the Detroit market hard for those that dont take the time to actually investigate the neighborhoods. It took me months to investigate these neighborhoods, walking dozens of houses , talking to neighbors , countless hours o driving and people expect you to write a handbook on how to invest in an inner-city for the convenience of their wallet. Different goals require different strategies the zip codes I invest might not be the market for others why I walk so many houses in areas I like.   

Wait, so you won't just give me all your hard-earned knowledge for free?!?! HOW. DARE. YOU!!!!

Laugh, folks... but this is literally my BP inbox every day.

 After our last talk at lunch, it gave me perspective. All the home walk through we did last year, meetups, calls etc make no sense for people to cash-in on our efforts. I'm all for helping those that put in the effort and want to contribute to our success also.

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311
Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

@Keyonte Summers: we agree:) Please feel free to add more neighborhoods, enhance or disagree with us:)

@ Anand Mundada: Here's our thoughts about Detroit's property classes in regards to quality of tenants. 

Class A (680+ credit scores): most of Downtown, Midtown, maybe parts of Corktown and Bagley areas.

Class B (620+): some neighborhoods near the Pointes, Harper Woods, Redford, East English Village, etc., some parts of Corktown and Bagley areas. Our opinion is that Detroit has a very low percentage of Class B properties, maybe only 5-10%.

Class C (550-620): Fringe areas around everything listed above. Maybe 15-20% of Detroit.

Class D (below 550): unfortunately, with a city built for almost 2,000,000 that now only has around 700,000 (but finally, slowly growing), at least a third of the city falls into this category. The only landlords we've seen make rentals work in these areas are DIY's that either live in the areas themselves or are constantly driving by and visiting their properties weekly, if not several times a week. That type of attention doesn't work for property managers or out-of-state investors.

Also, here's some slightly modified advice we posted elsewhere on BP:

Some advice: DO NOT buy a Detroit property via Quit Claimed Deed (QCD) unless you are an expert in the Detroit market! If you buy via Warranty Deed with title insurance, property tax and water bills will be zero'd out for your purchase.

We highly recommend visiting Detroit and looking at neighborhoods you're interested in. If pressed for time you can also zoom through neighborhoods via Google Street View - just pay attention to the date of the pics. You'll notice most of these properties will be in neighborhoods overrun with the 3 "B"'s - Boardups, Blowouts & Burnouts. Extremely unlikely to find acceptable tenants to live in those types of neighborhoods.

I think you hit it on the nose with some of the neighborhood. I think the issue is that people expect that entire zip code to B class when in all actuality it might be a span of 3-4 blocks. This is what makes the Detroit market hard for those that dont take the time to actually investigate the neighborhoods. It took me months to investigate these neighborhoods, walking dozens of houses , talking to neighbors , countless hours o driving and people expect you to write a handbook on how to invest in an inner-city for the convenience of their wallet. Different goals require different strategies the zip codes I invest might not be the market for others why I walk so many houses in areas I like.   

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

@Paul S. I disagree. There are several pockets that are B class. My lastest rental fixed with the grosse pointe zip code with all their amenities but a Detroit property is B class. Less than a mile from St.John Ascension hospital, quiet neighborhood, public transportation accessible and business accessible. 

Post: Detroit - things to research before investing

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

Research the area and blocks, the amenities, the type of finishes you should look for. Dont give Detroit rental Cali finishes you wouldnt get the proper return. If your looking for B class properties expect to pay for them. Good neighborhood cost and often over-saturated. Looking for the area's that are up and coming to turn into B class neighborhoods your return will be better and the home will appreciate more. 

The best thing to do is just to come and visit, first hand knowledge will help you make the decision on what your really looking for.  

Post: What's the Best Cash Flow Market in the Country?

Keyonte Summers
Posted
  • Harper Woods, MI
  • Posts 384
  • Votes 311

@Kurt Rath No hard feelings, we are all here to learn and educate from our experiences but its not as bad as most media make it seem. It's good parts, bad parts and places you don't go if they are sketchy. Many OOS investors have targeted Detroit for flips over the summer for huge returns. The same with buy/hold markets.