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All Forum Posts by: Kevin O'Brien

Kevin O'Brien has started 8 posts and replied 43 times.

I would recommend something much smaller. You will need 20% down for a standard conventional loan. So maybe look at stuff around 250K? That sounds like a doable scenario. A couple issues with your idea:

  • 1. You seem to undervalue the cost of turning over 8 units in an apartment building. $10,000 won't get you through more that two units if they need a kitchen, bathroom, electrical or really any other major issue. 
  • 2. Why would you change out the window units for HVAC? Seems like over improving. I am assuming the tenants are already paying their electric bill which includes running window AC units. Secondly, installing HVAC with AC into each unit will cost you at the absolute minimum $8,000. This is $56,000. Which is $56,000 you don't have budgeted for. It's also $56,000 that won't increase your bottom line.
  • 3. Why is the seller going to take $150,000 less than list price? The property that you described sounds like a great property. How long has it been on the market? Has the price been reduced? What is the current mortgage balance? These are all questions you would need to know. 
  • 4. Last point is 10% for a property manager is very expensive. For $1,200 a month why not take that responsibility yourself? It would double your COC net return.

I am looking to purchase a three or four unit building in the next month or two which should make me around $1,000 a month. I make around $3,000 a month but as a contractor 1099 not a W2, I have no debts or monthly financial obligations. Assuming I own the first property would I be able to qualify for a commercial mortgage for a 6 flat for around $350K that nets cash $3,000 a month? If I had the 20% downpayment would it be as simple as looking at the cashflow and having the downpayment or are other factors also considered? thanks.

Originally posted by @Grant Doyle:

@Kevin O'Brien Looks great! How long was the process from closing to finishing renovations?

Took a month and a half. It would have been nice if it only took a month but next time.

As the title says this is my first flip which I purchased at the age of 18. I purchased this property with savings from a prior business that I ran in highschool. This property was purchased for $72,500. The property was a previous rental and needed new flooring, paint, fixtures, kitchen, appliances, bathroom and paint. At the start of the process I planned to keep this property as a rental but quickly realized that it had a fair amount of equity in it that would be helpful in purchasing a larger property in cash next time. The mechanicals were in good condition to begin with all being less than 10 years old. I spent just under $20,000 on the entire renovation by doing a lot of the work myself. For a total cost of $92,500 plus closing costs. I plan to be somewhere under $100,000 including closing costs. My list price is $130,000 which will allow me to walk away with roughly $30,000. I plan to use this profit plus my original investment from this deal to BRRRR some Chicago 3 flats next that way I can move out finally. Overall I learned a lot and enjoyed the process thus far. The one snag in the entire job happened at the end with the tree guy taking 6 days to cut a tree down. Yea 6 days you heard that right. Kevin said you're fired for the first time. Overall just get out there and make it happen. This property would for reference would rent for $1300 a month.

Of course it’s not too early. I purchased my first flip last Friday at 18yo. Go for it.

Originally posted by @Shaun Weekes:
Originally posted by @Kevin O'Brien:

Hello, 

I was wondering what would be the best option for getting my money out of a cash purchase. The property in mind is $65,000 and needs $15,000 in work. Once rehabbed the property would appraise for $125,000 and rent for $1300 a month ($600 profit per month after all costs with a mortgage of 70% of $125,000)  If I paid for this property in cash what would be my best option for turning the property into a 30-year loan? I want to be able to get at minimum my $80,000 that has been invested out and would like to do so immediately after work is completed. Thanks. 

 If you bought it for 65K cash and you want 80K cash out, you'll have to wait at least 6 months for new appraised value. If you can do 65K cash out, then you can do it under the delayed financing rule immediately.

I hope this helps and have a good one.

Thanks, this was the general consensus I was getting. I wish the gov didn't have to regulate everything. If only I was around from 2003 to 2007. 

Originally posted by @Chris Mason:
Originally posted by @Shaun Weekes:
Originally posted by @Kevin O'Brien:

Hello, 

I was wondering what would be the best option for getting my money out of a cash purchase. The property in mind is $65,000 and needs $15,000 in work. Once rehabbed the property would appraise for $125,000 and rent for $1300 a month ($600 profit per month after all costs with a mortgage of 70% of $125,000)  If I paid for this property in cash what would be my best option for turning the property into a 30-year loan? I want to be able to get at minimum my $80,000 that has been invested out and would like to do so immediately after work is completed. Thanks. 

 If you bought it for 65K cash and you want 80K cash out, you'll have to wait at least 6 months for new appraised value. If you can do 65K cash out, then you can do it under the delayed financing rule immediately.

I hope this helps and have a good one.

 This is of course spot on, as is usual for Shaun.

Only way to get it closer to ARV without waiting six months is to make the rehab budget part of the purchase price in the contract and on the settlement statement. Typically this is only viable when it's an investor-to-investor transaction and both parties are actively doing at least a transaction every year or two, ideally with a trusted GC they always work with. If there are any old time investors who haven't purchased in 15 years, or first timers, or non-investor consumer sellers involved, not really viable. A "secret menu" option basically.

I have never thought of doing a deal this way but it makes sense. Similar to a buyer requesting credits for items found on a home inspection I would guess but on a much larger scale. Thanks.  

Hello, 

I was wondering what would be the best option for getting my money out of a cash purchase. The property in mind is $65,000 and needs $15,000 in work. Once rehabbed the property would appraise for $125,000 and rent for $1300 a month ($600 profit per month after all costs with a mortgage of 70% of $125,000)  If I paid for this property in cash what would be my best option for turning the property into a 30-year loan? I want to be able to get at minimum my $80,000 that has been invested out and would like to do so immediately after work is completed. Thanks. 

Post: Quit My Job now what

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Well, the first mistake was quitting without a plan.

The second mistake was quitting without monthly cashflow. 

The third mistake is thinking you can live off your savings and somehow purchase a property. 

If you can I would try to get your job back until you have a plan and a deal on a property in place. That way you can use your W2 to get approval on a property to rent, rehab and or flip. You are going to have an incredibly difficult time qualifying without a job unless your disability is substantial. Thank you for your service.  

Buy the shingles yourself and get a quote for installation. Shouldn't be more than a few thousand for installation per house. Heck, I'd think you'd be able to save some of that insurance money for yourself. Singles are $1 per sqft. Labor should be around $3 per sqft. $4000-$5000 on a regular house.