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All Forum Posts by: Ken R.

Ken R. has started 10 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: It's 2019! Whats Your Exit Strategy?

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32

Hey BP family, 

I was sitting here reflecting on my 2 year REI journey and wanted to share a few thoughts. As I've learned more and more about real estate I'm really starting to appreciate the different exit strategies. For instance, seller financing used to really confuse me but not any more. Whenever I locate a potential deal, I can't help but to find myself trying to determine multiple ways to exit the deal now. I didn't realize how much of a job wholesaling, flipping, and even just being a landlord can be if you don't have a solid system in place that will allow you to scale up.

When I first started wholesaling I had to pass up a lot of different leads & potential deals because there just wasn't enuff meat on the bone. I really couldn't understand why a home with $25,000 in equity had to get passed on. Especially when the seller just wanted out from under the mortgage.  I thought to myself.....Surely this could be a deal for someone but as I would speak to other investors, they would look at the numbers and simply pass on the so called deal or they would tell me to pass on it as well. Of course I was still new to the game so I had to really re-evalutate any property I put under contract. Then one day... The numbers finally made since. Which brought me to me first my deal....

I thought to myself. Finally! This is it! My first deal is going to closing table! And to think....After all of the books, podcasts, youtube videos, bigger pockets forums, and analysis paralysis. It was finally happening for me. Well.....Nope, not exactly. My first wholesale deal fell through the cracks on the day it was suppose to close. Not once, but twice! 1st investor requested 2 extensions but still couldn't secure funding so they backed out. 2nd Investor requested an extension then had a stroke. By this time all I could sense was my relationship with my first title company and my integrity literally being destroyed. My deal fell apart and I was literally shook. I mean literally shooketh! I was so done! I thought to myself this can't be happening. What the hell did I do wrong here? My numbers were right and I had a backup buyer. I had assigned the deal twice already, I Got the seller to extend contract for a third time, and then it still fell thru? Come on man! This can't be real. Yep, it was very real. But..... luckily the rapport & transparency I had with the seller, along with some good ole faith, brought me a long way. The seller believed in me and gave me another extension. The only thing that saved this deal was another exit strategy "Creative Acquisiton". 

I stayed up all night thinking of another exit strategy. Seller financing. Long story.... I'll spare you all the details.  I re-structured the deal, found another buyer, assigned my contract, and in the end made about $10,500 on my first deal. Yes, It finally closed.  It's all good now right? Nope! What I thought was a win-win-win didn't turn out to be a win for everyone. My investor/buyer over-spent on the rehab and still lost some money in the end.  I wish everyone could have won in this transaction but it just didn't quite pan out that way.  

The investor/buyer wasn't familiar with any other creative exit strategy other than flipping. Honestly, even my only strategy at the time was a typical wholesale deal until it all fell apart and I was forced to think creatively.  The initial deal was a no-brainer for my investor/buyer because I structured a creative acquisition and assigned the contract. It should have been a win-win-win for everyone right?  In a perfect world yes! But in realty..... Heres what happened. 

6 months holding costs, Change of orders on the rehab, over spent on rehab costs and labor, then winter time hit. I didn't realize that winter was not a great time to have listings on MLS. By February the investor was just ready to be done with the whole project so he dropped the price, sold the property for less, and took a loss. I think his loss was less than 7k in the end, but that includes 6 months of lost opportunity due to the investment capital being tied up in one flip, bad dealing with contractors, and many sleepless nights. I received a great 1st testimonial from the seller because they were so happy the deal finally closed and they saw that I tried my best to do right by them instead of walking away. My first investor/buyer still hasn't returned my calls or texts in over 1year and a half. Although this was only a wholesale deal for me, I still felt the pain of my buyer who flipped the property but lost in the end. I was there observing the whole way. I was hoping we could have both learned from this experience. Or maybe I missed something. Since then, I have continued to try and go the extra mile for everyone I do business with. Even during turbulent times I will figure out another way. To say I learned so much from that first deal would be an understatement. Remember....I thought that deal would never close and I almost gave up, but having another exit strategy was a major key.

Last thing....For some reason I use to think of bankers as investors. It never dawned on me that banks never deal with any of the headaches that investors do. It's two totally different languages. They've creatively figured out an easier way to do this. I guess that's why they have the tallest buildings. 

Hopefully this inspires someone to keep going on their REI journey when it gets tuff. Or maybe it was simply entertaining to someone who's been at this for years. I really intended this to be a short post but hey..... forgive me. I just couldn't quite pull it off. lol

Post: Calculating Cash on Cash Renturn for Wholesale Deals?

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32

I just noticed that my numbers were off. I meant to assume that your cash buyer was all in at $80k (not $70k) and the bank financed him at $75k (75% LTV)

In that case he would only be out of pocket $5,000. 

Sorry about that.

In my earlier analysis he cash on cash would’ve actually been infinite because he eventually had no money out pocket! Lol 

Post: Calculating Cash on Cash Renturn for Wholesale Deals?

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32

Hey John, you’re welcome! Glad I could help. Yes, the taxes and insurance were already included in the 40%. That should usually cover everything, give or take a few bucks.

Post: Calculating Cash on Cash Renturn for Wholesale Deals?

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32

@John Gusto

I’ll try and give the quick answer first but then I’ll break it down a bit more detailed. Hope this helps!

Quick and dirty math formula:

Annual Cash Flow divided by 15%= All in costs. In other words this formula will tell you his maximum all in costs he would need to be at to reach his minimum ROI or Cash on cash return.

More details.

It can be a bit confusing but here is a deeper break down.

The COC return would ultimately depend on his financing terms. Such as...

Interest rate, Loan to value (LTV), also the time frame such as 15yr,20yr,or 30yr am, etc.

So without those exact numbers it would all be speculation.

However here is a common scenario that would give you an better idea.

For example:

Lets assume....

ARV: $100k

Purchase Price: $60k

Repairs: $5k

Assignment Fee: $3k

Misc costs: $2k

All in costs: $70k

Now lets assume property rents for $1,000 a month and after expenses he’s left with $600. Lets now also assume he has financing in place at theses terms:

75% LTV ($75k)

Meaning the bank gives him $75k cash

This assumption now only leaves his total out of pocket costs at $5k

Now lets assume his annual net operating income (after all expenses and financing) is cash flowing about $1800 a year

If you divide his NOI ($1800) by his all in costs ($5k) you will get a Cash on cash return of 36%. (That's more than the 15% minimum he needed but you get the picture.)

This financing example also assumes:

30yr Fixed,

6% interest,

Rent: $1,000 a month ($12,000yr)

Operating Expenses: $7,200yr (40%)

By using a mortgage calculator you can input this info and it will calculate the monthly payment. You should get a P&I payment of around $450 month or $5400 Annual debt service expense.

Final Breakdown:

Gross Annual Income: $12,000

Net Operating Income: $7,200 (-40%)

Debt Service expenses:$5,400

Annual cash flow: $1,800

Cash on cash return: 36%

I know that’s a lot. Hope it helps or Maybe someone else can explain it easier lol.

Best wishes on your REI journey!

Post: Seeking Home Inspector and structural engineer

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32
Thanks! I'll give them a call and I will be sure to let them know you referred me. Thanks again!

Post: Newbie from Oklahoma City

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32
Hello Mason, Congrats on your new journey in REI. I'm also a local investor with wholesale deals you may be interested in. I own a multimedia production company and we're currently in the process of merging some of our services with the REI side of things as well. I am looking for great aerial photographers that we can work with. I'd love to meet with you and possibly discuss how we may be able work with you on the aerial photography services as well as investments. I can pm my contact info if that's okay with you. Good luck on your journey in REI. -- Ken

Post: Seeking Home Inspector and structural engineer

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32
Hello BP family! We're looking for a good and reliable home inspector as well as a structural engineer in the Oklahoma City area. Need a reasonable rate and fast turn around time. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance.

Post: Investing software myreipro

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32

I have been using this for quite a few months now. I am very pleased with it. I haven't found any other crm that is feature rich and as simple to use as myreipro. I thought it was expensive at first but it has turned out to be a great tool to quickly give the important info I need on a property, leads, etc, in an organized way. The education it comes with is really priceless. I have tried a few CRMs with a couple more features but I just find this one more user friendly without all the sales pitch stuff. I'm sure it will only get better. I really appreciate how Chris Goff breaks everything down. I actually looked here on BP some months ago hoping to get some feedback on this but there was none. I enjoyed the 30 day trial and decided to just make the investment afterwards. It's worth a lot more in my opinion. It's month to month. No contracts but you can pay quarterly or annually to save a few bucks. I'm only paying the 109 for right now. I can afford it so it works out.  I love it. And no I don't work for them. I just came across this post during a google search as I typed in the search window while I was attempting to login and look up some property I just found out about. Since I am a current user I figured I'd speak up about it. I would want someone to do the same for me if they valued my product. Hope this helps!

Post: Looking for great real estate attorney in Oklahoma City area.

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Ronald Rohde:

Texas attorney here, haven't seen too many OK lawyers...I will ask around.

 Thanks Ronald! I've been made aware of some pros & cons dealing with lease options. I also understand that every state is different. I have some decent looking contracts but I just want to make sure we cover our assets. 

Post: Looking for great real estate attorney in Oklahoma City area.

Ken R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 41
  • Votes 32

Hello BP Fam, 

I'm currently looking for a great real estate attorney to work with my investment company in the Oklahoma City area. Preferably an attorney that is very familiar with structuring & closing Owner finance & Lease option transactions in Oklahoma. If you can refer me to someone that would be great. Thanks!