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All Forum Posts by: Kenny Simpson

Kenny Simpson has started 26 posts and replied 129 times.

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
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  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96
Quote from @Billy Daniel:

I think the Fed acted a little too fast with their rate hikes.  I think we will continue to see inflation drop regardless of their actions from this point forward.  5% mortgage rates are very much a possibility next year.  I am no economics expert, but that's my belief!

 @Billy Daniel, 100% agree, rates will fall and they already started too

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
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  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96
Quote from @Paul De Luca:
Quote from @Kenny Simpson:
Quote from @J. Mitchell Bernier:
Quote from @Kenny Simpson:

The FED is slowing pace on rate hikes, the consumer is slowing and the economy is headed into a recession? These are all guesses at this point and some believe this will happen or is happening. If the FED eases with less rate hikes, that is signaling they need to slow down because the rate hikes are working and inflation is coming down. We have had recent reports that inflation is slowing 9% + to 7.7% and that has already had an affect on long term rates. The 30 year fixed mortgage as I type this sits around 6.125%, conventional NO POINTs and VA 5.5% NO POINTs. Those rates just weeks ago were .5%+ higher.

Do you see VA/FHA rates in the 4's and conventional in the mid to low 5's is possible by Q2 of next year? If that is the case we are talking new buyers saving $800 + a month here in San Diego on entry level homes. Home prices lower, rates lower, seems like the perfect storm for first time home buyer or to pick up your first investment property?


 Sounds like patience is the strategy at this time. 

Don't think we will see rates below 5% for a long time, but even at 5.5% that makes many investments way more attractive. I think if rates fall to around 5.5% the buyers will come back in droves and the market will rebound. Think that won't happen till 2024, but hopefully sooner. 

 @J. Mitchell Bernier I think rates will fall faster than people think, I think when Jan 2023 hits we will see massive layoff's, FED pivot, BIG recession fears and the 10 year T will drop.  Lets see what happens :)


 I hope you're right, but I'm going to make the assumption that won't happen so I'm not disappointed.

 @J. Mitchell Bernier, LOL it is NOT about being right, it is understanding the data and what is going on in the overall market.  Rates will come down next year for sure, they just did off lower CPI numbers.  Stay tuned.  

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
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  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Kenny Simpson:

The FED is slowing pace on rate hikes, the consumer is slowing and the economy is headed into a recession? These are all guesses at this point and some believe this will happen or is happening. If the FED eases with less rate hikes, that is signaling they need to slow down because the rate hikes are working and inflation is coming down. We have had recent reports that inflation is slowing 9% + to 7.7% and that has already had an affect on long term rates. The 30 year fixed mortgage as I type this sits around 6.125%, conventional NO POINTs and VA 5.5% NO POINTs. Those rates just weeks ago were .5%+ higher.

Do you see VA/FHA rates in the 4's and conventional in the mid to low 5's is possible by Q2 of next year? If that is the case we are talking new buyers saving $800 + a month here in San Diego on entry level homes. Home prices lower, rates lower, seems like the perfect storm for first time home buyer or to pick up your first investment property?


I do not see it happening because housing is too large of a segment of the economy. Housing consists of many renters and rents are increasing at a crazy rate. Core Logic recently released numbers showing YOY rent increased almost $700 for a San Diego SFH. In case you think that has slowed, the quarterly increase was $130 which is not quite as fast, but still way too fast.

The issue is there are many reasons rents are increasing and raising rates does not help lower the rent increases.  Increased rates makes it more difficult for first time buyers because 1) the financed payment goes up 2) it decreases movement which results in boomers, etc not downsizing which lowers volume on the market and helps keep the prices from falling.

Other drivers for these large rent increases are the recent property appreciation (last 10 years have had huge RE appreciation) and rents lag the property value increases, the Covid eviction moratorium has identified new risk that must be reflected in the income, the continuing trend to move to high growth areas which results in a large housing shortage in these areas, the lag of new housing starts that has existed since the Great Recession.  

Therefore, the rate increases cannot address a primary source of inflation, but the fed has few tools available to fight inflation and raising rates is their primary tool to fight inflation.  It will take many months to get inflation to a tolerable level.  My belief is fed would find 4.5% tolerable, but even if you believe 5% is tolerable, we are not close to being there.  

I expect fed to increase its rates at least 2 more quarters and would not be surprised if it is significantly more than 2 quarters.  Fed raises rates typically results in increased mortgage rates.

I think we are in for a bumpy ride.

 @Dan H. I was referring to long term mortgage rates NOT FED funds rate. I agree FED will continue to raise FED fund rates into Q1/Q2 2023 for sure and they just did another 75BPS as you know and the 10 year treasury dropped 50 BPS + quickly.  Long term rates already have a .75 BPS to 100 BPS increase in margin spread do to risk, that will come off the table soon and lower rates just based off that and that would put my 30 year fixed rate in the 5.25% to 5.5% ish range.  If the 10 year T drops more do to recession fears rates will drop lower.

Here is the chart, 10 year treasury vs 30 year fixed, they are usually 180 to 200 BPS apart and when near or during recession that number can go way up.  So if the 10 year T is at 3.7% today the 30 year fixed rate would be at 5.7% today if NOT lower just normal.

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
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  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

Margin spread may decrease and I could see rates around 5% conventional and 6% investment in 2023 but unlikely lower then that.

 @Henry Lazerow 100% agree, rates went to high to fast.  

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
Posted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96
Quote from @J. Mitchell Bernier:
Quote from @Kenny Simpson:

The FED is slowing pace on rate hikes, the consumer is slowing and the economy is headed into a recession? These are all guesses at this point and some believe this will happen or is happening. If the FED eases with less rate hikes, that is signaling they need to slow down because the rate hikes are working and inflation is coming down. We have had recent reports that inflation is slowing 9% + to 7.7% and that has already had an affect on long term rates. The 30 year fixed mortgage as I type this sits around 6.125%, conventional NO POINTs and VA 5.5% NO POINTs. Those rates just weeks ago were .5%+ higher.

Do you see VA/FHA rates in the 4's and conventional in the mid to low 5's is possible by Q2 of next year? If that is the case we are talking new buyers saving $800 + a month here in San Diego on entry level homes. Home prices lower, rates lower, seems like the perfect storm for first time home buyer or to pick up your first investment property?


 Sounds like patience is the strategy at this time. 

Don't think we will see rates below 5% for a long time, but even at 5.5% that makes many investments way more attractive. I think if rates fall to around 5.5% the buyers will come back in droves and the market will rebound. Think that won't happen till 2024, but hopefully sooner. 

 @J. Mitchell Bernier I think rates will fall faster than people think, I think when Jan 2023 hits we will see massive layoff's, FED pivot, BIG recession fears and the 10 year T will drop.  Lets see what happens :)

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
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  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96
Quote from @John Clevenger:

Love the detail.

Just curious, what are your thoughts on navigating the current rates from an investor perspective? I have many clients asking themselves this same question and am always curious about new ideas. 

@John Clevenger, if they are getting a really good deal they can always refinance later. These high rates make it tougher for deals to make sense so that is why it has to be a good deal or value ADD. Rates will be lower in 2023 and that will help with deals making more sense for sure. Do an ARM, buy down the rate or plan for the future refinance. Focusing on the rate in today's environment should be 1 part of the pie, what about cash flow, value ADD, rent increase, possible refi, adding amenities that add to rent.

Post: Mortgage rates in the 4's and 5's in 2023?

Kenny Simpson
Posted
  • Lender
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96

The FED is slowing pace on rate hikes, the consumer is slowing and the economy is headed into a recession? These are all guesses at this point and some believe this will happen or is happening. If the FED eases with less rate hikes, that is signaling they need to slow down because the rate hikes are working and inflation is coming down. We have had recent reports that inflation is slowing 9% + to 7.7% and that has already had an affect on long term rates. The 30 year fixed mortgage as I type this sits around 6.125%, conventional NO POINTs and VA 5.5% NO POINTs. Those rates just weeks ago were .5%+ higher.

Do you see VA/FHA rates in the 4's and conventional in the mid to low 5's is possible by Q2 of next year? If that is the case we are talking new buyers saving $800 + a month here in San Diego on entry level homes. Home prices lower, rates lower, seems like the perfect storm for first time home buyer or to pick up your first investment property?

Post: New to Bigger Pockets but 19 Years in the real estate game!

Kenny Simpson
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  • San Diego, CA
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Hello Bigger Pocket Family,

I am excited to be LIVE and apart of this community.  I look forward to helping, growing, teaching, learning and growing with everyone.  Please see below a little bit about me and look forward to connecting soon :).

I am mortgage broker with C2 Financial and have been in the business for 19 years. I have funded over $1Billion in loans and have had the opportunity to help 1000's of clients along the way. If you are a first time home buyer, in the military using your VA loan, self employed with income challenges or an experienced real estate investor my team and I are the best. We pride ourselves on educating our clients on loan options, rates, terms, cost and we work very hard to deliver the best rates and service. What makes us great is the experience we bring to the table and also being a very active real estate investor myself and my background in real estate only benefits our clients.

My wife has been a commercial mortgage broker for 19 years as well and has funded over $1.5 Billion in loans as well. Together we are a 1 stop shop and a rarity due to our experience in the real estate business. We used to manage 1475 units in San Diego ( sold that business in 2018) , turned over 2000 units, rehabbed 500 + units, rehabbed inside and out over 20 + larger building and have done $100 Million in personal real estate deals ourselves. We have helped many clients build portfolios in San Diego, build wealth and generate cash flow. Now we just focus on our 2 girls, mortgage business, our growing pod cast "get in the cash flow game with K&K, delivering educational content daily to clients and our community, buying a building a year with our own money in San Diego, personally own 45 + unit with a net cash flow of $300K.  We are also partners in 300 + units as well.

I am here to help, educate, give back and answer any questions. If you need to purchase or refinance a property please don't hesitate to reach out anytime.

Post: Active listing is down 60% from 10 year average

Kenny Simpson
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  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 96

All 1 to 4 unit Active listings, including condo when you look at the data from the last 10 years are down 60% from the norm.  In San Diego active listings in a normal market are about 10 to 12K, currently today we are about 5K and that will drop off when the slower winter months approach.  When you top that with higher interest rates, less buyer demand and sellers have to sell for a reason this is creating opportunity for buyers.  We are seeing our buyers pay $100K less plus seller credits on on $1MM properties.  We ran the scenario that even with higher rates and paying a $100K + less your payment is very close and with a refinance in the future you will be winning.

What are you guys seeing out there with sellers and buyers?