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All Forum Posts by: Kelly M.

Kelly M. has started 1 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @William Morgan:

I'm sorry, I don't buy the "it's all in how you train them" argument, at least not in totality. While I'm certain that training comes into play, keep in mind that "Pit Bull type" dogs have a long breeding history as fighting dogs. We can argue whether or not how precisely the "Pit Bull" breed can be determined but lets not forget their selective breeding for Bull Baiting and fighting.

"To understand the origin of the pit bull, one must go back two hundred years to a time when two dogs fighting to the death in an arena was as acceptable as two prize fighters punching each other in Las Vegas is today...

...the Bull Terrier was created "by crossing English Bulldogs with several breeds including Black and Tan Terriers, Spanish Pointers, English White Terriers, Dalmations, Greyhounds and Whippets in order to create a dog breed that would fight other dogs." (link)

Also, while acknowledging the limitations of breed identification, the Centers for Disease Control nonetheless has this to say:

"Despite these (breed identification) limitations and concerns, the data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF (Dog Bite Related Fatalities) in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities."

Nobody knows risk more than insurance companies. They study it with far greater precision than anyone else. That they would seek to disallow coverage based on breed profiles shows IMO that certain breed profiles are predisposed inflict injury and aggression. Keep in mind, most of the time these fatalities are kids (70%).

 I am going to respond to this post. This is false an again I'd say education is a must. Insurance companies have high statistics?? How?? Was there DNA done on these dogs? Do you know that in today's world of pit bull they breed has changed and bred out human aggression? Do you know that a dog that fights In a ring with another dog is not human aggressive and any form of human aggression displayed the animal is euthanized. Yea these animals were bred for bull baiting and bear hunting. How does that play a part in human aggression?? If human aggression how does one train these dogs to fight or hunt?  They couldn't: you are correct as DNA genetics are a huge factor in a tempermant of a dog. And raising and training is only a very small part of it.  It's r studied pit bull breeds for approximately 30 years. In my next post I will give you the statistics.    Half bites that occur from other breeds are not reported.  I will give you facts from animal control. 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7

I myself own mastiffs who have the strongest bite per square then any other breed. If the so much as thought about showing a tooth at anyone unless to protect me from a real threat. They would be put down. There is no room for human aggression in this world. The humans create enough of it 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Nicole A.:

The argument (and a strong one, I admit) is that small dogs bites can't seriously harm or kill you typically. Logic says that size does not make it okay or funny for a small dog to be aggressive. If my Pit Bull acted the same way that many Chihuahuas act, she would quite possibly be put down. But we laugh at the Chihuahua for the same behavior. 

However, I have also met some wonderful small dogs who are not nippy or even yippy! And there is a guy a few doors down from my rental that has 2 Pit Bull-looking dogs. He just lets them in the backyard that has NO fence. Sometimes I have to walk by and I don't like how the dogs silently stare me down. One of them did bite my handyman and he had to get stitches in his arm.

Dogs are like people. Some are friendly. Some are jerks. Some are mentally unstable and unsafe. Many can go from bad to good with training. A few are too far gone.

 Aren't there leash laws? Fence laws? That's dangerous. I would complain to animal control.  When I am training I have some pits that don't do well with other animals. However are very well managed on leash but when walking and another is off leash and charges a dog I'm working with that is a problem. However it would not be consider the pits fault because there are leash laws and that would be considered a provoked bite.  Irresponsible owners ruin it for others. 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7

I'd just ask to meet the dog before renting. If they say no then red flag would go off

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7

@Barbara G. correct. Pits are terriers. Terrier mix. 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7

I will tell you this- if I had rentals. I'd take an American staffy or a bulldog or pit bull type dog over many other breeds. The chances of a pit bull type attacking you are just as likely as you getting hit in the head with a falling coconut off a tree walking down the street.  I'd never allow a chow.. A shar pei and a few others. Because I know they are human biters. You just don't hear about them in news. 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Nicole A.:

@Kelly M. Hey, someone who knows a thing or two about Pit Bull type dogs (and dogs in general)! I like it. :-)

Do you recommend a specific DNA company? I did one of those swab tests on my dog and it came back that she's basically a mutt: American Staffordshire Terrier, Miniature Bull Terrier (the Target dog!), and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

I agree on the CGC (canine good citizen test by the AKC) cert...especially the advanced CGC. My dog is titled CGCA. 

The CGC test shows that the owner takes the time to properly train their dog. The test itself is not impressive because any dog should know basic manners and commands. I feel it more shows that you are a good, responsible owner.

 The best one is in my opinion the wisdom panel..  With your test. I'd say you prob have a true American pit terrier. But they are not a recognized breed.   So how does anyone legally discriminate against ?? This is why laws are changing. I've been bitten by jack Russell terriers, dashunds and believe it or not cocker spaniels. Chows ! I've trained prob thousands of dogs and have evaluated thousands. I've never been bitten by a rottie a sheppard or a pit bull type.  It amazes me how people say uhh no pit bulls allowed!! Educate yourself on breed and specifics  the horror stories you see. Think about where they are occurring and who is owning the dogs 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7

if you saw this dog. Would u think pit bull?  

He is a whippet, beagle and American bull dog mix.  Mostly whippet. Just making a point. 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Barbara G.:
About dogs and Pit Bulls

Our first buy, twin duplexes had a Pit Bull as a resident

We did not want any dogs much less Pit Bulls and were concerned about our insurance and the dog itself.  Even concerned about the man because he was single and had a lot of friends and a first I didn't even know who was the listed tenant.  We wanted to terminate the lease but finnally decided it was too difficult

Well its been over 1 1/2 half years now.  The tenant is no problem and the dog is very nice and friendly,  both to other visiting dogs and to children.  

 Barbara most pits are extremely human social and amazing with children. The media kills them.   With insurance, people staring they own a pit and 98 percent of the time it isn't a pit. It's a pit bull type. That's why I always recommend DNA cert. so people don't have issues 

Post: Pit bulls as service dogs.....

Kelly M.Posted
  • Vernon, NJ
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 7

the laws are horrible on service dogs  it's so wrong.