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All Forum Posts by: Mark Spivey

Mark Spivey has started 12 posts and replied 37 times.

Post: calculating land value for depreciation

Mark SpiveyPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 1

Is there a good online resource for estimating land comps?

I've tried googling and can't find anything to give me any clues on the land value for my area. Even the tax assessors office doesn't break apart the value of the land vs structure.

Originally posted by Edita D.:

-you have to create LLC in a state you live, otherwise it will NOT be protected under the LLC, since you have to pay taxes/fees depending on your state. We have properties in CA and NV, and have to pay 800$/year tax for CA, amd 350$/year some kind of fee for NV - loss of income

That runs contrary to what Garret Sutton says. Maybe because it is CA where it's very renter friendly and easier to "pierce the veil"? I think CA LLC's are the weakest around. I don't claim to be an expert. I'll do some more reading when I get the chance and post back.


-you have to transfer the property's title into the name of LLC,which will cost 300-500$ in attorney money-loss of income. And, there's no guarantee your insurance carrier will no drop you! I called mine: they will drop my policy if I wanna put it into LLC..

I suspect that dollar figure you quote is highly dependent on many factors. I know CA fees are among the worst around, and NV's used to be cheap, but are now getting fairly expensive in their own right. So I would encourage people to check it out on their own.


Overall, if you are just starting out and do not have lots in assets, you are fine having a 2mln umbrella over EVERYTHING that u have: cars, homes, etc.


Lets take my previous example and assume I have 1 million in assets. I buy a 3 million umb policy. What if there is faulty wiring in my house and it winds up burning down several properties and I get slapped with the $5M lawsuit? I would lose EVERYTHING! Personally, I simply don't want to assume the potential risk of exposing my life's work to our judicial systems whims, just to gain an extra 1-2% ROI.

Seems to me this is a very important decision that shouldn't be taken lightly. I wouldn't trust me or anyone else. I would treat it as due diligence and research it to the last decimal.

I thought placing your property in an LLC discourage litigation in the 1st place? Is my logic flawed?

2 scenarios:
Say Problem Renter A slips on the stairs going up to the house gets injured and decides to consult an attorney.

Insurance Scenario:
The attorney see's it is personally owned by you and assumes you probably have an insurance policy and assets worth hundreds of thousands of dollars (insurance, umbrella policy, personal home, retirement accounts, kids college funds, other properties, etc.). He files a lawsuit for $5 million dollars. Even if they are only awarded the value of your umbrella policy or your win outright, you still lost because you had to pay your own attorney's fees and lost countless $ due to the time in litigation.

LLC Scenario:
The lawyer looks at the house and see's it is valued at ~$100k, but leveraged at 75k. If structured properly none of your personal assets are at risk. There is only 25k of equity for him to steal. He tells Problem Renter A it is not worth their time.

You can get a Wyoming LLC for only a couple hundred $/ year. Probably about the same cost as an umbrella policy and you don't have to worry about some judge telling some guy you owe him your life's worth.

I am new to real estate investing, so someone please tell me if my logic is flawed as this is how I intend to own rental properties.

Post: Intentionally Paying More Taxes?

Mark SpiveyPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 1

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed and a noob to RE investing to boot. Can someone explain how paying more taxes allows you to borrow more money from a bank?

Thanks

Post: Property Insurance resources?

Mark SpiveyPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by Tim Norris:
Bienes' post is correct regarding the cost increase between insurance for LLCs and personally-owned properties--when dealing with the "traditional" insurance markets. However, there are programs and policies available that do not factor the ownership into the cost calculation. By the way, it shouldn't as "the risk is the risk" regardless of who owns it. That stated, I had written this piece a few years ago to address some of the insurance "basics" for a new investor: http://www.nreinsurance.com/RE-Insurance-Issues.pdf

Hope it helps.

Tim

That is an absolutely awesome document. Thank you very much, I've just saved it.

Post: Property Insurance resources?

Mark SpiveyPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 1

Thanks for all your responses!

I've requested my free book and hopefully it will soon find its way to my front door.

Post: Property Insurance resources?

Mark SpiveyPosted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 38
  • Votes 1

Hi everyone, I am new here and new to RE investing.

I intend to buy and hold turnkey single & multi-family rental homes. I am still trying to learn all I can before pulling the trigger on my 1st purchase.

One thing I don't seem to find much good info on is insurance.

I do plan on placing each of my properties in an LLC.

What kind of insurance should I get? I read about mortgage insurance, landlord insurance, hazard insurance, homeowners insurance with and without umbrella policies, replacement costs, etc. It's all rather confusing.

What sort of insurance coverage do I need? How much can I reasonably budget for insurance costs?

If anyone could just point me to a good book or other resource that explains all the different types and pros/cons of insurance for buy&hold rental landlords I would be very appreciative.

Thanks in advance!