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All Forum Posts by: Justin Thind

Justin Thind has started 4 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Starting out, gravitating towards traditional methods (SFH LTR)

Justin ThindPosted
  • Investor
  • Metro Detroit
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Ke Nan Wang:

Thank you for your post. I think your market cashflow pretty well. I would start talking to property managers, realtors and lenders and start shopping. 

It got me interested in looking into your market and I'm surprised to find hundreds of >1% rule properties that are in decent shape in Detroit, MI. 

Got me interested in what is it like to invest and own LTR there. Did a quick google search and found that Detroit is relatively Landlord friendly. Anyone who's specialized in operating in Detroit? 


I'm more so looking just outside of Detroit. In Warren, Ferndale, Roseville, Oak Park, Eastpointe, etc.

All 3 local investors and property managers that I've talked to say they caution away from Detroit itself due to vacancy rates, the amount of expenses to repair the property just after tenants move out, and the lack of appreciation with those houses over time (compared to areas outside of city limits).

Post: Starting out, gravitating towards traditional methods (SFH LTR)

Justin ThindPosted
  • Investor
  • Metro Detroit
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Justin Thind:

The cost of buying increased dramatically and rent rates haven't caught up. It may be years before we see the same returns we were able to get in 2018.

My first investment was a mediocre townhome for $67,000. BiggerPockets didn't exist. I hadn't ready any books on real estate investing. I didn't have a calculator, the 1% rule, a mentor, or anything. I bought a house that rented for $35 more than the mortgage, taxes, and insurance. I put that $35 into an account and saved up. Fortunately, we didn't have any major expenses the first couple of years. I raised rents as we went and was eventually able to upgrade the unit. By the time I sold it eight years later, the property was cash flowing $400+ per month and I sold it for a profit of over $80,000.

Real estate is very forgiving. We push so hard for cash flow, but there are other ways to make money through real estate and people have been doing it throuhout history without the benefit of the tools we have available today. In fact, I sometimes think the tools make it harder for people to buy because they spend too much time analyzing, looking for the perfect deal, or trying to match the results of some guy on YouTube that probably exaggerates his results.


 That was a cool real-life example for sure. Appreciate you sharing!

Post: Starting out, gravitating towards traditional methods (SFH LTR)

Justin ThindPosted
  • Investor
  • Metro Detroit
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Justin Thind:

Stop thinking and start doing.

You are in a market with hundreds, maybe thousands of opportunities. Set a goal to put something under contract in 30 days. Find a REALTOR and a Property Manager. They will help you focus in on a good neighborhood. Buy a house, give it the Property Manager, then set up to do it again.

I look forward to your update in July.


I'm definitely good with setting a goal like that, but haven't found anything with CoC return higher than 5-6%, where as the rule of thumb I'm seeing is to not settle for anything under 8%. While I don't want to keep sitting on the sideline, I also don't want to bust buy something for the sake of buying and it not cash flow. Are the days of 8%+ CoC return not viable right not because of high interest rates?

Post: Starting out, gravitating towards traditional methods (SFH LTR)

Justin ThindPosted
  • Investor
  • Metro Detroit
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 12

Hi everyone, just joined the community here. Looking to get started in real estate investing asap. Began the process last month and have been analyzing deals and even put in an offer today. Still, I'm not entirely confident in my vision/direction.

Context on myself - I live in Metro Detroit, graduated college 2 years ago and have been working as an engineer. Work is close to my hometown, so I was able to move back home with my parents and have saved a huge chunk of my salary the last 2 years. In addition to making pretty decent money, I've recently added a side career in the digital media space, so it's time to put the income & savings to use. Also, in addition to these two jobs, I'll be starting my MBA (company-funded) next month. I say all of this to paint the following picture:

- I have very little free time, so I plan to hire a property manager.

- I have $90k cash in hand. As a result, I'd prefer to not do anything creative like home hacking or leverage private lending. 

- With that 90k, I plan to buy 1-2 SFH long-term rental properties, and a home for myself and move out.

My question is very open ended, what would your strategy be if you were in this situation? 

Currently, this is my vision: I am looking at single-family houses in the $90k-120k range. I hope to buy two of them at that price point with 20% down and try to cash flow as much as possible, without being too risky with vacancy rates (aka, avoiding inner-city Detroit). I'm looking at houses that don't require too much work, as I don't have the time or skillset to refurb them. Plus, I believe it has to be in pretty decent shape to get a traditional mortgage approved on them anyway. On the flip side, I am hoping the home isn't totally maxed out and I can go in and replace the carpet with vinyl flooring and change out the kitchen cabinets and counter tops. This way, I can do little stuff to add value instead of buying a recent flip someone else is maximizing profit on, but also not doing a full refurb either. A nice middle ground, I think. With my own house (that I'd live in), I'd like that to be about 250-270k. I've come around on only putting 5% down even if I have the cash to do 20%, as real estate experts seem to say "just buy another rental instead of lowering your own mortgage a little. You can only do that 5% option on your primary residence, so take advantage of it." Hopefully you all agree? If not, I'd happily go back to my previous, traditionally-rigid mentality of paying the "usual" 20% since I have it lol

Anyway, that's my current line of thinking. However, so far, I haven't been finding great cashflow margins on the rental property numbers I'm running, and that's what has led me to make this post. Do I have the wrong idea about diversifying and getting two cheap rentals, and maybe should instead be looking at one medium rental? Am I being stupid when I'm saying "I saved money, so I'm going to ignore alternative, creative options like private lenders & the BRRRR method" and missing out on the more profitable avenue that way? Can I go with the BRRR method without needing to dip my toe in the priiate lending sector? Should I not be avoiding lower-rated communities and am overexaggerating the vacancy/tenant quality element? ...Or is my vision not flawed at all, and it's just hard to find high cashflow opportunities in the current market?

I know the YouTube videos all talk about "how to buy your first rental if you're broke" and have creative, bold advice on how to leverage other people's money. There isn't so much about the nitty gritty of which traditional "boring" option to go with if you have decent money. 

I definitely wouldn't say that I have analysis paralysis, but I do want to fine-tune my exact vision and then commit to offering on everything that meets my subsequent buying criteria.  Really, really appreciate any insight, and I apologize for the lengthy post. Just wanted to cover all the variables and factors instead of saying "I'm new, tell me where to start. Go!"