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All Forum Posts by: Justin Sheley

Justin Sheley has started 11 posts and replied 80 times.

Post: Fund & Grow Financing

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

@Micah Markowitz

Thank you Micah, I'm definitely going to look into Midwest Corporate Credit.

Post: Fund & Grow Financing

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

@Petr Anisimov @Donnie N.

Petr, you nailed it with your explanation. 

I paid $3000 because I used to link from the Clayton Morris podcast. You can choose to renew the service every year and pay the upfront fee again, but the representative from Fund & Grow explained that it is their desire to teach me how to do it on my own do that in a year I don't have to pay the fee, but will have the knowledge to just go do it myself. If you listen to the podcast with Mike Banks, he talks about the ability to just go do it yourself and not use Fund & Grow, but they view themselves as a valuable partner when establishing these credit lines for the first time.

Once you pay, they automatically enroll you with a business newsletter that they have a 3rd party agreement with. You have the option to cancel that subscription at anytime.

As far as the % being paid for this service. The way I figured was that in the course of the first year (3-4 pushes for business credit) I will get access to a minimum of $100,000. Paying $3000 for this service means I'll be paying 3% for a 12month line of credit, and even lower if I get more than $100,000.

Post: Fund & Grow Financing

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

For what I am anticipating to get in return the upfront fee seemed worth it to me. My applications go out tomorrow, so I will soon find out how this is going to work out. @Micah Markowitz, would you mind sharing what companies will provide this service with no upfront fees? This is just the company that I became familiar with, but would love to learn about an alternative 

Post: House hacking the most dangerous city in America

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

@Jeff B.

Jeff, any advice on communicating on BiggerPockets with out giving away niche secrets? I know ultimately I could be talking a competitor into investing, but at the same time I wouldn't be benefiting from investments if it wasn't for BiggerPockets. How do you handle discussing your real estate online?

Post: House hacking the most dangerous city in America

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

@Scott Harper I think you make a great point there. And it's funny, I have thought of the same analogy before. I've asked myself if the only reason the city doesn't seem so bad is just because I have acclimated myself to the prI blend over time. This may very well be the case. But when I first saw the stat about the crime rate in Rockford it made me laugh. Because I work and live here everyday. But then as I thought about it, I thought what a concerning thing as an investor. Yet, to this day we have made it work. And although there are no guarantees of success, I'm just thankful that our surroundings didn't discourage us from getting started in real estate.

Post: House hacking the most dangerous city in America

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

Four years ago my wife and I took the plunge into real estate by househacking in the most dangerous city in America, and no @Joshua Dorkin it’s not Detroit. At the time we knew absolutely nothing about real estate and what to look for in a property. In full disclosure I would like to present my newbie card upfront because everyday we are learning more about this business. However, a real estate agent we just happened to meet at an open house presented us with the idea of buying a duplex and living in one half to offset our mortgage. I was instantly enamored with the idea and after showing us a few multifamily we bought our first home. A two-story brick home on a quiet street, just a block away from a golf course. Little did I know, we had just begun our journey investing in the most dangerous city in America.

Fast-forward to 2016 and we were still living in that two-story duplex, but that’s when we began to get serious about real estate. We repeated the process by buying another multi-family and living in one side, and during the last year we have grown to eight units total, including my families first single family, which is going to be a live-in flip for us. And we have chosen to plant our roots and do all this in the most dangerous city in America, Rockford Illinois.

There have been a few key moments in the last year where I have really had to stop and ask myself if I was crazy for leading my family down the real estate path in Rockford of all cities. Perhaps we should have relocated first, or invested out of state with a property manger. For those of you unfamiliar with Rockford, we just surpassed Little Rock, Arkansas as the most dangerous city in America with a population between 100,000-200,000 people. According the FBI, aggravated assault and robbery in Rockford have risen since 2013 by 30% and 22% respectively, with the murder rate only increasing slightly. Rockford does have a rich history, I mean we are the birth place of the sock monkey! And city was also known as a hard working manufacturing city, but many of those large organizations have long since left Rockford. Taking thousands of jobs with them, and leaving behind large industrial buildings that now sit vacant. Perhaps I should’ve taken my family to a more emerging city, perhaps I’m crazy for investing in a city with a high unemployment rate and a shrinking population. I understand that location, location, location is very important. So why the heck would I stay in Rockford, IL? Despite everything going against Rockford, this is why I love my city and don’t plan to leave.

1. I know Rockford

I grew up in Rockford, and I personally have a strong belief in investing in your own backyard. Maybe my opinion would change if I lived in San Francisco, but the ability to understand the area in which you are investing can be the difference between a good deal and a major headache. In Rockford, I have found that there is no shortage of 2% deals. And to the outside investor this may seem like a great opportunity. However, the difference of a couple blocks can make the difference between a 2% cash cow and a 2% money pit. If you don’t have boots on the ground to tell you which hospital is closing, what area the city is pouring money into next, or information on crime that Trulia can’t show you on a map; then I strongly advise you against investing in an area in which you are unfamiliar. Now I’m not saying it can’t be done, and I’m not saying someone isn’t making money in Rockford on streets I would’nt touch. I already present my newbie card at the beginning of this so one could argue against this, but my point is that you probably don’t know an area better than the city you grew up in. So before you jump in, you better know your area.

2. Rockford isn’t going anywhere.

Despite the struggles Rockford has endured, with a population of 148,278 it is still the third largest city in Illinois and isn’t going away anytime soon. In fact, as an investor I view Rockford as a hotbed of individuals who are consumers and will continue to rent. With the combination of the millennial generation buying fewer houses, and the local demographics leaning heavily towards renters, I feel very confident that we will continue to have a large pool of people to fill our properties.

3. I choose not to buy into negative hype.

I’m still a pretty young guy, but it blows my mind how social media shapes so many peoples perspectives today. There is so much white noise trying to tell us what to think, that we need to make a conscious choice to think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions. My conclusion about Rockford, it’s not as scary as people think. I have never once felt endangered in Rockford, and really it’s a matter of using common sense. Know your area, and don’t be in the wrong place when you shouldn’t be there, and protect yourself (go get some GO-Magnets). I know that may oversimplify the issue, but this is our home and as a whole, Rockford is a city that believes it can grow and improve. Our company is called “ReNew Rockford” and we want to be a part of the revitalization of our area. So if your doubting if your backyard is worth investing in, stop listening to the hype and determine where in your city you can make a difference while also making a wise investment.

Ultimately, househacking the most dangerous city in America has been the best experience of our lives for my wife and I. We are making our way towards financial freedom, and it’s so exciting to know that we can play a larger role in preparing for our future than dumping money in a mutual fund and hoping for the best. I would definitely suggest that any newbie consider househacking your first home. If you don’t know your city demographics well, you certainly will learn something about it during the process of selecting your home and selecting your neighbors. The househacking dynamic is not always an easy one, but you will learn so much about dealing with a tenant and understanding exactly the environment your tenants are living in. Hopefully this creates the foundation needed to become a great landlord moving forward.

So what are you waiting for? Most dangerous city in America? Who cares. Educate yourself throughout the process and jump into your first deal! I’ve never felt more confident in my future than I do now after committing to real estate. Take the word Rockford out of this article and apply it to wherever you are. Reject the negative hype and go out and make it happen. We’re certainly doing our best to do that here in Rockford, and I would love to learn about how you’re making it happen in your backyard. BiggerPockets has been such an encouragement and resource that I’ve decided to try to make a more conscious effort to share our story. I’m sure we will have many ups and downs, but ultimately I believe our efforts will be worth it. My family isn’t living “the dream life” yet, but we’re well on our way.

Post: Fund & Grow Financing

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

After listening to the Clayton Morris podcast (EP115 with Mike Banks) about the company Fund & Grow, I became intrigued with the idea of using business credit cards to buy rental properties using the BRRRR method. The whole concept seemed too good to be true, so I hopped on BiggerPockets to see what people were saying about Fund & Grow. I always find great content here, and more often than not I find the answer to my question before I even need to post and ask about it. However, with Fund & Grow, I didn't find much. (If anyone knows of a discussion about Fund & Grow that I didn't find please link me to it) There are a few discussions where people were considering using Fund & Grow to finance a deal, but none that I saw that went all the way through the process and used the funds to find a deal.

That being said, I decided to start this discussion post and share my experience with the company from day 1 till I refinance and hopefully complete the BRRRR method.

For anyone not familiar with Fund & Grow, they are a company started by Ari Page that helps you establish business lines of credit for the purpose of creating working capital for small businesses. In my case, I will be using the line of credit to buy properties in Rockford, IL and rehab them into rental properties.

Phase 1:

Currently I have enrolled with Fund & Grow and completed my initial consultation. This cost $3,000 for their service of negotiating and securing the business credit cards. I spent 1 hr on the phone with a very friendly consultant and discussed my plans for the business credit and established a sole proprietorship for both my wife and I. This allows the business lines of credit to not affect my personal credit score.  The first push for business credit will begin next week, and I should have access to an anticipated 60k by the following week. My wife is not currently receiving accounts yet until a more established credit history can be created for her.  We are currently lining up several refinancing options with banks in the area so that they are aware of what we intend to do. Currently we are being told that we can refinance the properties we buy with cash after 6 months. This is key for us, because we intend to buy and hold these properties and do not want to get stuck after the initial 12 months of 0% interest expires on our business credit cards.

Phase 2 is going to be actually receiving the cash into our account and making our cash purchase. I tried for brevity sake to not go into the entire Fund & Grow concept in my initial post, but if anyone has any questions, comments, or concerns I'd love to discuss them.

Post: Newbie From Rockford Illinois

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

Welcome to bigger pockets. The podcasts can be a game changer with the amount of awesome open advice they provide. I'm also a newer investor in the Rockford area. It can be a great place to find cash flowing deals. If you need any help analyzing the deals with a perspective specific to our market let me know.

Post: Factoring Tax Amount

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

I have been trying to educate myself on taxes recently because it is part of the real estate equation that I still struggle with when I am analyzing deals. I am currently buying in Rockford, IL and there are two four families that I am interested in. The current taxes are $5667 on each properties, but that was based on a tax assessment of $40,475. If I'm understanding this right that tax amount is based on a price of a little over $120,000. The buildings are currently listed as foreclosures @ $61,000. If I were to purchase them at that price the tax amount should change correct? I'm trying to understand if the tax bill is based off the purchase price when I buy the property or the assessed value of the property.

Post: WIN May 5 Meetup - Rockford, IL

Justin Sheley
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  • Investor
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 215

Hallie and I plan to be there.