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All Forum Posts by: Justin Hayman

Justin Hayman has started 6 posts and replied 40 times.

Post: Is BP just for guys?

Justin HaymanPosted
  • Rohnert Park, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 25

I respect the opinions of all.  

I wish we didn't live in a society in which words can have such unintended consequences as the ones mentioned in this thread.  

I sincerely hope that BP does not become a forum to express ourselves politically.  I'm certain there are forums of those kind available.

I hope I am not attacked for my honest opinion.

Don't forget the all-important capability of interfacing seamlessly two ways (reservations and cancellations, reductions in group blocks) when you build it out.  Otherwise you're setting yourself up for an operational nightmare and setting yourself back 25 years.

I'm a lifelong hotelier - would love to see what you come up with if and when you move forward.  Side-skirting booking engines from the big players like Travelclick and Synxis would be a huge money saver.  

Good luck.

In my 18 years of running hotels, I would say 20% is most certainly bloated.  

For the most part, and if you have a branded property (think Marriott, Hilton, etc), you'll have 7-8% paid to the franchise.  Some brands have additional charges, often $xxx per room per month for marketing.  Then, you'll need a 3rd party management company.  The franchise isn't going to let you use their name without knowing there is a high quality operator in place.  On average, a management company charges about 3%.  There are also situations where an asset manager is in place on top of the management company.  This can be another 1.5%.  The fee can be worked out with the management company to kick back half of their fee to the asset manager if the asset manager handles the operation of the property.  This essentially means the management company is merely a bridge for the owner to have access to a franchise as well as added benefits and resources (this can be HR, accounting, purchasing, etc.)

I am not familiar with the deal you have on your desk, but I would approach with caution.

Post: Hotel Owners and Investors

Justin HaymanPosted
  • Rohnert Park, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 25

@Brian Whelan you have a great idea on your hands.  

I am in a position where I need access to such a forum this very moment.  Did anything come of your suggestion?  Here's my current situation:

I am/was the GM at an independently owned hotel.  No brand affiliation (i.e. Marriott, Hilton, etc.)  The hotel, located in Sonoma Wine Country, burned down in the CA wildfires last October.  

The owner retained me on the payroll.  I am currently handling the insurance claim and focusing on rebuilding, speaking to potential partners, etc.  

A forum like you suggest would be a fantastic place to make connections and bounce ideas off of others.  

Post: Experienced Hotel Investor

Justin HaymanPosted
  • Rohnert Park, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 25

@Davin Peterson I've managed hotels for 18 years and would be happy to help if you want to bounce an idea off of me.

Post: Experienced Hotel Investor

Justin HaymanPosted
  • Rohnert Park, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 25

As a lifelong hotelier in Las Vegas and Sonoma Wine Country, I agree with @John Wijtenburg's assessments.  For those of you wondering what type of returns to expect, the only true and correct answer, in my opinion, is it depends.

There are so many factors that play into profitability, market penetration, and a successful operation.  From a 30,000 foot view:  How has you comp set performed over time?  What might influence it in the future?  What new builds or existing hotels changing flags are happening now or in the future?  

Getting more granular, what classification of hotel are you interested in (luxury, upscale, select service, convention, etc)?  Does it fit the market?  How does the competition in your classification in the market look?  Does the local tourism bureau have strong leadership with a good vision?  What management company are you using?  Will your hotel have food and beverage?  This is a huge one.......if you ask 100 hotel developers, I'm betting over 95 will tell you they wish they could operate without food and beverage.....it's a money pit.  And, what about unions?  Are they present in the market?  That's also a big factor.  

As you can see, there are many considerations.  Some can be easily overlooked.  For instance, in some markets with very high cost of living like mine, your ability to staff the hotel becomes a nightmare.  In Napa, I know of a hotel paying for a shuttle bus to bring housekeepers to work and home from cheaper cities a half hour away, since they cannot afford to live in the area they work.  This gets quite expensive as you might imagine.  

Now that I've painted this horror picture, I should mention there is plenty of upside.  Many owners will purchase a struggling property, rebrand it, renovate, stabilize, and either sell or cash out refi.  This of course takes time, effort, and great partners/boots on the ground to nail down, but can be just as or more financially beneficial as multifamily.

Good luck to those considering hospitality.  I live it, love it, and wish I owned it.  

Post: Property Managers in Santa Rosa, CA?

Justin HaymanPosted
  • Rohnert Park, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 25

My sister has a rental in Santa Rosa.  She's not too adept in real estate, and had a terrible experience with a mom and pop operation.

I made some calls for her and found Alliance to be the most professional.  She signed with them last month, so no feedback yet, but after a few 30 minute talks with them, I felt comfortable.  I spoke to Michael.  Wish I could be more help.....good luck.

Post: FIRE! Burning in Northern CA - 884+ Homes Burned

Justin HaymanPosted
  • Rohnert Park, CA
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 25

@Karen Margrave My heart goes out to you and yours along with those affected.  While I'm no expert like @Brian Burke, I have some direct and indirect experience with the October fires here in Santa Rosa.  

The hotel I was the GM at (Fountaingrove Inn) burned down as did the Hilton next to it.  I had a number of employees lose their homes as well as seven other people I know personally.  About half moved.  Some were under-insured, some took the check for the structure and contents, sold the lot, and moved out of state.  (One of those took his lot money and insurance checks, bought a house cash out of state, two rentals, and retired at 46.  He said the best thing about CA is "when you leave", although I'm not sure I agree)

The people I know who are rebuilding have had a heck of a time with the process.  Construction costs soared through the roof, and the availability of contractors was iffy.  The city passed an ordinance where owners who rebuild the structure using the original plans could do so without much in terms of permit fees if any and wait time.  The problem with many of the homes destroyed was their age - owners want to update/modernize - and making too many modifications adds to costs and time to get permits approved.  

The hotels here were running over 96% occupancy the first 4-5 months following the fire, though that has calmed down a bit.  Many people, such as a friend of mine, couldn't find lodging and were forced to take a family of 4 to live with mommy.  Situations like this aren't talked about.....but extended hotel living or cramming into family/friends homes takes its toll.  

I realize this is an ancient post, but wonder if you found yourself a deal to BRRRR. I am currently in the same boat you were. It seems the only way to handle it would be to pull MF comps like you would a single family. Banks look at them the same as well when it comes time to underwriting.

On another note - another CA guy here.  Currently exploring Cincinnati and a few markets in Alabama.  Where are you buying?

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Joseph M.:

@Jay Hinrichs , interesting story about the lot in Portland and investing in Charleston. It sounds like you have been early on quite a few markets before they blew up. Buying where people didn't want to live , but then seeing the potential of it becoming a place where people do want to live in the future. 

I remember you mentioned some land you purchased years back in Northern CA  for a low amount but now it's worth millions. Did you end up selling that land? Land it seems can go up much much more than a house if in the right area. But of course there isn't the income coming in usually...unless maybe you put a billboard or cell phone tower etc on it.. and there are taxes to be paid. 

well I grew up in the land business so that's what I know.. today everyone is brain washed with it has to cash flow and appreciation is gambling.. so be that as it may.. yes I have done very well with land and determining where I believe markets may go.

Plus I was a top producing RE agent so I really did not need cash flow .. what was 200 bucks a month going to do for me..

I did not want to take on Debt that only produced that small amount of money a year..  

but I get it for those that are not in the business and are passive or work a another job and looking to invest..

but many people in CA buy land and have bought land.. for various reasons.. just to have something to retire on one day.. when I brokered land back in the day .. I sold many ranches to very wealthy folks that wanted to own a big ranch for their recreational purposes.. same theory of the very rich buying up the big ranchs in Montana and other places.. its just another segment of real estate and one that is never really talked about on BP because this is predominantly a wholesaler or landlord site.. 

Yes I bought a 4 acre tract in Rohnert park when it was not buildable but it was only 27k in 1995.. but it was right behind a home depot and on a freeway closer leaf only one block off well town grew out to us.. casino went in across the street brand new hotel next door and I have been entertaining offers in the 2.5 to 3 million range.. have not closed yet though.. you know those CA. Salamanders LOL.. but either way.. I Bought 27k rental or down payment on a rental in the day would have done as well as just holding this dirt and being CA prop 13 taxs have only been 300 a year.. so just set it and forget and wake up one day and smile.

How I found Charleston was one of the big TV guru's who sells flipping seminars told me about it I funded a few of his students went out there check it out. saw Boeing just moved the 787 there and kind of figured this place was ready to rock.. well then came Volvo and Mercedes and its sky rocketed.. I got in on the ground floor there when the locals were not buying and certainly no out of state folks.. other than half backs from up north buying ocean front etc..   just took a chance and it worked.. I have also invested in areas that were duds.. so not all wine and roses

Jay I live and Rohnert Park and have since the 80's.  I know that property well.....currently a haven for cows!  I know you are originally from the bay area.....but I've got to know, how the heck did you come to the decision to buy that parcel(s)?  Little ol' RP was nothing with nothing back then.  I remember Graton had a hell of an issue with the tiger salamanders.  Not sure how they finally got around it.....likely $$$$$$$$$

PS I've listened to your episode of the podcast quite a few times.  Your the freakin man.